Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 
2335 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 372

Trusted

  Reply # 1101032 3-Aug-2014 11:04
Send private message

MichaelNZ:
LennonNZ: Michael: What is the Budget/Month?
Are the 2 points within the UFF UFB Area




One end is within UFB area, the other not. For this link I would prefer a copper service for ease/speed of installation and widespread availability.

I am seeking a low cost way to link from home to the office - preferably layer 2.

A couple of VDSL connections would do the job fine bandwidth, cost and performance wise.


2* VDSL Connections  you would affectively get around a 10M Connection between the 2 points (Hopefully)

Something like 2 VDSL Routers Running in Bridge Mode with a Couple of Mikrotik's Terminating the L3 At each end and then using the Mikrotik's to create a Layer 2 Tunnel Over this Layer 3 Connection.



3886 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 161


  Reply # 1101570 4-Aug-2014 11:27
Send private message

hyperman: Are we talking across town?

if so why not use something like
Ubiquiti AirGrid M2 20dBi 600mW High Power CPE


No a good solution in an urban area as this is in the 2.4g space.

Only look at 5G space for urban areas where you have enough freq space to find a clean channel.






Promote New Zealand - Get yourself a .kiwi.nz domain name!!!

Check out mine - i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz - don@i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz


 
 
 
 


3886 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 161


  Reply # 1101579 4-Aug-2014 11:31
Send private message

MichaelNZ: To the wireless fanboi's - I am not after a wireless connection. Do you understand this?



Everyone got the point that you wanted a physical layer 1 solution.

Michael I think it's you who missed the point.

You posted a number of FUD suggestions about wireless which are simply wrong, so a few people with some good clue in the area just posted a response.



Properly engineered p2p wireless links in the GURL freq space can be extremely reliable and are used by many folk to deliver a lot of 1's to a growing number of the population at a price point that people can and will afford.






Promote New Zealand - Get yourself a .kiwi.nz domain name!!!

Check out mine - i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz - don@i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz




560 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 77

Trusted

  Reply # 1101588 4-Aug-2014 11:37
Send private message

DonGould:
MichaelNZ: To the wireless fanboi's - I am not after a wireless connection. Do you understand this?



Everyone got the point that you wanted a physical layer 1 solution.

Michael I think it's you who missed the point.



I think I have been in this industry long enough to know what I want without having my very clear and specific question hijacked by people wanting to push an irrelevant opinion or service.

BTW - I never said I wanted a layer 1 solution. I'm not running the cable myself.

Banana?
4124 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 903

Subscriber

  Reply # 1101591 4-Aug-2014 11:40
Send private message

We still use Frame Relay for a few of the sites in our WAN. 1Mbps. Pretty rock solid.

We go through Telstra Global/VodafoneTCL.

3886 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 161


  Reply # 1101593 4-Aug-2014 11:42
Send private message

MichaelNZ: BTW - I never said I wanted a layer 1 solution. I'm not running the cable myself.


sorry my bad...

I meant that you wanted a layer 2 service only delivered on someone else physical layer 1 medium not on a wireless carrier.

With respect to the hijacking, yes point taken, but a simple "no thanks" or ignoring the response without generating additional FUD would have kept the fanboi's at bay ;)

D




Promote New Zealand - Get yourself a .kiwi.nz domain name!!!

Check out mine - i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz - don@i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz




560 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 77

Trusted

  Reply # 1101600 4-Aug-2014 11:52
Send private message

DonGould:
MichaelNZ: BTW - I never said I wanted a layer 1 solution. I'm not running the cable myself.


I meant that you wanted a layer 2 service only delivered on someone else physical layer 1 medium not on a wireless carrier.

D


I am well aware of wireless technology and it's pros and cons. I've worked at a couple of wireless ISP's in my career.

I have an office in the Wanganui CBD (Getting connected to UFB) and I want a quick and easy way to remotely access from a rural location with a minimum of an E1 of bandwidth.

A VPN is a possibility but at present I'm trying to see if I can get a couple of VDSL links 'bridged' at layer 2 so I don't have the downsides associated with VPN's. Something like this would fit the bill perfectly. Easy install, cheap equipment and widespread availability.

I have never seen a wireless ISP in the real world who can compete with the cost effectiveness, performance and reliability of VDSL. Generally, the business model is to sign up people on term contracts, full of SLA holes, who have no other alternative other than dial up or satellite.

So someone claims one exists? I'm not knocking Inspire - actually I've chosen them to provide me with UFB - but what should I base my choice on? Some claim from someone who may have a different opinion as to 'acceptable performance' or a known quantity (ie: copper)?

Last of all - Wireless ISP's are not even cheap. Why would I pay more than VDSL?

3886 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 161


  Reply # 1101620 4-Aug-2014 12:12
Send private message

MichaelNZ:  Last of all - Wireless ISP's are not even cheap. Why would I pay more than VDSL?


Michael some good points.

There are two reasons to choose something that's not delivered on Chorus copper that I can see:

1.  There is no copper - ie when you have no choice.

2.  Choice - the desire for there to be a choice.

In a post Snowden era, in my view, we need to consider making sure we don't just build single owner carrier networks. 

VDSL pricing is kept in check because of competitive pressure as far as I can tell.

D




Promote New Zealand - Get yourself a .kiwi.nz domain name!!!

Check out mine - i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz - don@i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz


867 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 264


  Reply # 1101656 4-Aug-2014 12:29
Send private message

In these modern IP focussed days, a couple of IP connections and a VPN is all commodity, cheap, small business affordable, no salespeople to "assess your business need and wallet size." Buy them from the same provider so they can't point fingers to someone else if either link fails.

Why not go the cheap commodity way and use the savings to pay for a cellular or wireless backup?

3224 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1022

Subscriber

  Reply # 1101658 4-Aug-2014 12:32
Send private message

Getting two VDSL connections and running a VPN tunnel over the two is far different from asking for a P2P managed service.

To compare the two is just not fair, of course a couple of cr4ppy VDSL lines is going to be cheaper than a high quality point-to-point solution.

Edit: Don't know the current pricing for HSNS but I would feel pretty safe in saying they would be far more expensive than wireless. But you don't want wireless so that's fine.

25833 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5557

Moderator
Trusted
Biddle Corp
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 1101672 4-Aug-2014 12:47
Send private message

Assuming the existing UFB connection is one of the offices the most logical option would have been to have gone with the same ISP (preferably somebody who offers free local or national traffic), and used that as one of the connections along with another connection at the other office and simply run a IPoE tunnel over the two, or routed it if you didn't want to deal with ARP traffic.


What does this tag do
888 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 172

Subscriber

  Reply # 1101689 4-Aug-2014 13:14
Send private message

Just give a business ISP a call and ask - try DTS or HD for pricing.
HD have a pricing page for MPLS but that would be nationwide where as it should be cheaper for connections in same city.
http://www.hd.net.nz/business-solutions/business-broadband/mpls-wan-services/

Generally a pretty high install fee for setting up this stuff (min $500) but monthly should be OK.

3111 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 533

Trusted

  Reply # 1101906 4-Aug-2014 17:41
One person supports this post
Send private message

Telecom used to offer a service many years ago (name i forget) which allows you to rent a dry loop between two buildings in the same or nearby towns. The price was based on the number of exchange steps and businesses used to use them as remote extensions of a pbx system.

Anywhoo your ideal situation would have been to use this service, in conjunction with an ADSL or VDSL ethernet extension box on each end which would go up to 2kms.

By the time they ended the service around ~2004 the price was about $500 per month.


I think you might just need to deal with getting two internet connections - from an internet provider that allows unmetered national such as HD.net and just run a VPN over the top.




Ray Taylor
Taylor Broadband (rural hawkes bay)
www.ruralkiwi.com

There is no place like localhost
For my general guide to extending your wireless network Click Here




1 | 2 
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

New Zealand's IT industry in 2018 and beyond
Posted 22-Jan-2018 12:50


Introducing your new workplace headache: Gen Z
Posted 22-Jan-2018 12:45


Jucy set to introduce electric campervan fleet
Posted 22-Jan-2018 12:41


Hawaiki cable system will be ready for service in June 2018
Posted 22-Jan-2018 12:32


New Zealand hits peak broadband data
Posted 18-Jan-2018 12:21


Amazon Echo devices coming to New Zealand early February 2018
Posted 18-Jan-2018 10:53


$3.74 million for new electric vehicles in New Zealand
Posted 17-Jan-2018 11:27


Nova 2i: Value, not excitement from Huawei
Posted 17-Jan-2018 09:02


Less news in Facebook News Feed revamp
Posted 15-Jan-2018 13:15


Australian Government contract awarded to Datacom Connect
Posted 11-Jan-2018 08:37


Why New Zealand needs a chief technology officer
Posted 6-Jan-2018 13:59


Amazon release Silk Browser and Firefox for Fire TV
Posted 21-Dec-2017 13:42


New Chief Technology Officer role created
Posted 19-Dec-2017 22:18


All I want for Christmas is a new EV
Posted 19-Dec-2017 19:54


How clever is this: AI will create 2.3 million jobs by 2020
Posted 19-Dec-2017 19:52



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.