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  #1143636 29-Sep-2014 16:17
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Can I have 2 ISP's at home?

 

Yes, quite easily.

 

All of our remote users where I work have 2 ADSL connections, a business line with Telecom which we set up for them and their own home connection with whoever they want. This is not a problem and quite easily set up.

You have 2 pair in most phone cabling, so if your house wasn't made in the early 1900's you should be fine and there won't be much of an install cost.

But yes, as others have said it would be a lot cheaper to just pay the difference for unlimited. Tell them you'll clean the bathroom as well :-D

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  #1143654 29-Sep-2014 17:07
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Most phone cables to houses have 2 pairs (2 lines), yes you can get a different service on each line.





 
 
 
 


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  #1143682 29-Sep-2014 17:52

Amosnz:
Also as IPTV options become more available, it could be useful to have these separated at the ONT so your TV bandwidth is seperate to general internet and can change TV provider without affecting internet (this one is theoretical).


Multicast means IPTV/content bandwidth is separate to internet bandwidth.

It is possible to connect two different ISPs' fibre services to a single Chorus ONT. IIRC this was a restriction that was recently lifted (Or is in the process of being lifted).




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  #1143684 29-Sep-2014 18:03
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I emailed unlimitedinternet, and they said i am able to do it if someone else has an active phone line installed, So i cna order a service without the naked in front of the plan.

They can use theirs and i can use mine.

Besides even if i get an unlimited they can just use mine, i would just pay the portion for the bandwidth anyways.

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  #1143688 29-Sep-2014 18:08
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ReckITT: I emailed unlimitedinternet, and they said i am able to do it if someone else has an active phone line installed, So i cna order a service without the naked in front of the plan.

They can use theirs and i can use mine.

Besides even if i get an unlimited they can just use mine, i would just pay the portion for the bandwidth anyways.


not quite.


as you have described it, there is already an existing dsl connection there, so to get a second connection you will need to get it on another pair. 

I suspect iver this was not explained very well to unlimitedinternet, or they didnt understand exactly what the situation was.


You cant have 2 dsl connections ontop of a single phoneline, it will need to be along side it. - essentially a "new connection" but hopefully without the need for a new cable from the street (which is unlikely required.)


My recommendation would be to shop around a little more... consider all the points around companys before settling (more important if a contract is involved, but regardless). You might find going on a contract would work out cheaper for you upfront, which could be a bit of a factor considering you just moved in.

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Multicast means IPTV/content bandwidth is separate to internet bandwidth.

It is possible to connect two different ISPs' fibre services to a single Chorus ONT. IIRC this was a restriction that was recently lifted (Or is in the process of being lifted).


Ild love to know if this has defiantly been lifted or not, as its something ild like to make use of at some point.. (assuming SWMBO allows it...)




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  #1143689 29-Sep-2014 18:11
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And even if you have a spare pair in the leadin the fact it requires work to connect this at the pole, house, and the installation of a jack means this will probably incur an installation charge of up to $399 (but will more than likely only be $199)

Since you have a line already it can be installed on the same SAM ID, but you can't use the existing phone ASID or the existing broadband will be churned.








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  #1143692 29-Sep-2014 18:12
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hio77:
ReckITT: I emailed unlimitedinternet, and they said i am able to do it if someone else has an active phone line installed, So i cna order a service without the naked in front of the plan.

They can use theirs and i can use mine.

Besides even if i get an unlimited they can just use mine, i would just pay the portion for the bandwidth anyways.


not quite.


as you have described it, there is already an existing dsl connection there, so to get a second connection you will need to get it on another pair. 

I suspect iver this was not explained very well to unlimitedinternet, or they didnt understand exactly what the situation was.


You cant have 2 dsl connections ontop of a single phoneline, it will need to be along side it. - essentially a "new connection" but hopefully without the need for a new cable from the street (which is unlikely required.)


My recommendation would be to shop around a little more... consider all the points around companys before settling (more important if a contract is involved, but regardless). You might find going on a contract would work out cheaper for you upfront, which could be a bit of a factor considering you just moved in.


I have explained the house has a phone line and internet with telecom, i aswell asked if i am able to dial from my PC using a pppoe connection, and they said yes. without interrupting the existing internet and phone setup.

 
 
 
 


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  #1143697 29-Sep-2014 18:24
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No. it doesnt work like that...

sure, you possibly could dial PPPoE over their connection, but Spark use Port Based Authentication, and thus it would still be their data usage. (and this is assuming something Theoretical which wouldnt actually work anyway.)


ill say it again, as others and i have already told you.

You need the connection down another pair. it will NOT go alongside your flatmates? Spark DSL connection in the sense that you are assuming..




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  #1143717 29-Sep-2014 18:27
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Sounds lame. I'd just pay for unlimited - it would also cost a hell of a lot less than what you're trying to do.

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  #1143721 29-Sep-2014 18:29
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quickymart: Sounds lame. I'd just pay for unlimited - it would also cost a hell of a lot less than what you're trying to do.


This.


Although, the frustrations of a flatmate who sits on unlimited and belts it to buggery constantly can be quite painful too. 




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  #1143737 29-Sep-2014 18:51
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ReckITT:
I have explained the house has a phone line and internet with telecom, i aswell asked if i am able to dial from my PC using a pppoe connection, and they said yes. without interrupting the existing internet and phone setup.


It is simply impossible for this to work. To dial using PPPoE from your PC you'd also need a modem in bridge mode doing PPPoA conversion, or a modem in bridge mode handing the VLAN10 tagging. In either case you will need a new DSL connection on a new copper pair coming into your premises.





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  #1143790 29-Sep-2014 20:21
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hio77:
quickymart: Sounds lame. I'd just pay for unlimited - it would also cost a hell of a lot less than what you're trying to do.


This.


Although, the frustrations of a flatmate who sits on unlimited and belts it to buggery constantly can be quite painful too. 

True, but the system the OP wants to use would make 0 difference in a situation like that, IMO, unless he installs another physical line.

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  #1143791 29-Sep-2014 20:23
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quickymart:
hio77:
quickymart: Sounds lame. I'd just pay for unlimited - it would also cost a hell of a lot less than what you're trying to do.


This.


Although, the frustrations of a flatmate who sits on unlimited and belts it to buggery constantly can be quite painful too. 

True, but the system the OP wants to use would make 0 difference in a situation like that, IMO, unless he installs another physical line.


Also true..

but that system is outside of the realm of possibility in nz as it stands.




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  #1143809 29-Sep-2014 20:47
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hio77:
quickymart:
hio77:
quickymart: Sounds lame. I'd just pay for unlimited - it would also cost a hell of a lot less than what you're trying to do.


This.


Although, the frustrations of a flatmate who sits on unlimited and belts it to buggery constantly can be quite painful too. 

True, but the system the OP wants to use would make 0 difference in a situation like that, IMO, unless he installs another physical line.


Also true..

but that system is outside of the realm of possibility in nz as it stands.


It was actually possible with wholesale xDSL in the very early days in NZ before anybody understood the concept of how to design a network properly.


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  #1143815 29-Sep-2014 20:56
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Well looking into what's available in South Africa these days really helps me appreciate what NZ has for (most) of its population here... Poor TimA on his 69Mb VDSL... Lol :)

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