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  Reply # 1171110 7-Nov-2014 19:53
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I do see a slight difference between 'selling' a specific content, and providing a service that allows customers to acquire the content from a 3rd party. Like you say if this goes through then any VPN type service (assume jurisdiction restricted to NZ based) had better get a good lawyer.  

The silly thing is that there are soooo many ways to get the content, it's kind of like shooting a BB gun into a stampeding heard of bulls and hoping they will all stop.  


Yes it is interesting that they see global mode type services as a legal issue - if you import a banned DVD into the country you are breaking the law, but I've never seen NZ Post in court for transporting the goods.






But wouldn't it shift to the actual user who is getting access to the content, rather than the provider? I thought NZ had already been through this with music and movies being downloaded over bittorrent. The thing is that Google already operate in NZ i and they operate youtube, and you tube has movies and other videos with no content classifications. Are they going to block youtube videos that aren't classified? What about online games? I believe they do now play through games to classify them.

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  Reply # 1171137 7-Nov-2014 20:37
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To me this just seems driven not by the censors but other influences as if you start to worry about that then parallel importing needs to be banned for any content that generally would go through classification. 

I can purchase movies and games from legitimate places overseas (Amazon, NZGameshop for example) that will come into NZ without a NZ Classification sticker now if I try to sell this on after I'm finished with them in theory (and by law I believe) somewhere like Trademe is required to take the auction down.

Also I do agree with the reference to Megaupload to facilitated the ability to access and use just like global mode facilitates access and use of questionable / illegal content however I do feel it is not the company that is at fault for this and that they should not be blamed for what their customers do or use their services for when all quite clearly have usage policies that state clearly they're not to be used for access to illegal content.

Personally I get my TV shows directly online as I am impatient and don't like adverts.  I don't use global mode for this either.  Also like others have pointed out if a company chooses to region block their content (eg AMC releases teaser clips for Walking Dead but you can't watch them as they're locked or they've not allowed access from my country) I simply cut and paste the clips title into google or youtube and watch it on there.  So yeah good luck with your case censor you really are going to have a hard time stopping people accessing content win or lose we'll still watch it how and when we want and not every person chooses to break the laws (where they exist).

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  Reply # 1171371 8-Nov-2014 17:05
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IMO time for the censor to go.

People have more than enough access to information about content before viewing it without the censors offices ugly stickers defacing retail products, and anyone buying used personal imported blurays can look up online what it is.

I am amazed that there is not more opposition to this government monopoly on handing out these stickers that permit people to freely trade in recorded media.




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  Reply # 1171401 8-Nov-2014 18:04
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What a joke, it's the internet. I'm underage yet who's to stop me from watching restricted things online such as The Walking Dead and certain films. Am I messed up in the head for watching shows that the censor doesn't want me to see? No. This kind of censorship is unenforceable. As others have said, I think that self-censorship is really the only way, let people decide what they want to watch.

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  Reply # 1171413 8-Nov-2014 18:09
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JoshWright: What a joke, it's the internet. I'm underage yet who's to stop me from watching restricted things online such as The Walking Dead and certain films. Am I messed up in the head for watching shows that the censor doesn't want me to see? No. This kind of censorship is unenforceable. As others have said, I think that self-censorship is really the only way, let people decide what they want to watch.


You have a serious problem if you watch garbage like Walking Dead :P





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  Reply # 1171528 8-Nov-2014 22:57
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get rid of the censor, no one tells me what i can and cant watch thank you very much.

if i wanted to be told what i could and could not see i'd move to north korea.





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  Reply # 1171569 9-Nov-2014 08:52
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hamish225: get rid of the censor, no one tells me what i can and cant watch thank you very much.

if i wanted to be told what i could and could not see i'd move to north korea.


Well it's the censor's job to do just that. If you don't like their role I'd suggest you start pushing for law changes because their role is to enforce the law, not make it. I also hope you don't plan to leave NZ to escape the censor as virtually every Western country in the world has similar rules.



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  Reply # 1172221 10-Nov-2014 14:15
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I don't know if it's time to totally ditch the censors office, but I do think that it's time we stopped letting them BAN content, only categorise/rate it.

The only thing we should ban is kiddie porn pretty much, anything  involving consenting adults, no matter how much it may not be to our tastes should be legal IMHO.. And don't even get me started on the censor and video games, things like Manhunt, postal 2, etc should never have been banned.

Also, for the gamers out there, steam makes games that are illegal in NZ available such as Postal 2. The consequences of the OFLC not getting bitchslapped here could be far ranging. ISP's required to block access to steam anyone?








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  Reply # 1172224 10-Nov-2014 14:17
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Plus why would you buy online set to NZ when you get higher prices? Dont even see the censors BS ratings in the PS store when you are set to US to get better prices. I have no idea what GTA5 would be rated at in NZ without going and getting the case for my PS3 version out of storage since its not on the disc at all.




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  Reply # 1172318 10-Nov-2014 17:30
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Is he also going to target game streaming services such as Twitch. If someone were to watch an individual  playing an unclassified game surely that would be  breach of NZ censorship legislation.

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  Reply # 1172701 11-Nov-2014 11:02
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JimmyH:
Jaxar: Has anybody thought that  these services more blatantly advertise the ability to bypass copyright laws than say megaupload?

I mean I used to recommend megaupload as a solution to customers wanting to send large attachments by email.
Can anybody think of any use of global mode other than deliberately by passing regional rights holders?


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They aren't bypassing "copyright laws", just regional exclusive distributorship arrangements that have been the bane of NZ consumers for decades. It's the same as if you parallel import a book from Amazon rather than pay twice as much to go through the NZ distributor and retailer. The product is legit, and the content owner is still getting paid.

Torrents and Megaupload were a different kettle of fish, they were trading in illegal copies. If watching Netflix in NZ was a breach of the law, don't you think the Studios would have made a few high-profile prosecutions by now to emphasise that. They haven't, and they won't, because it isn't illegal and they know they would lose.

The rest of your argument has about as much force as saying that there is something dodgy about CourierPost because they blatantly advertise their willingness to carry packages from Amazon, to deliberately bypass the regional rights holders in the book industry. In short, it's nonsense.



I agree they are not bypassing copyright laws. They are enabling users to do so.
Torrents (most albeit not all) and some of the content uploaded to megaupload are certainly illegal copies.
Lets leave out the torrents though as it really is a separate subject. My argument is that both services are enablers. Questionable arguments can be made about megaupload providing a legitimate service. Megaupload itself did not put the  illegal content on its servers. Its users did. My arguments here are not to suggest megaupload is right or wrong simply that from a bypassing rights holders point of view they are very similar.

There is a lot of arguements that using a service to bypass geolocking doesn't cut out the rights holders. As much as I disagree with the copyright monopoly affecting media in Australasia however bypassing geolocking does cut out the rights holders.
Now your argument that the studios would have made some high-profile prosecution is what we call a Non Sequitur. Firstly bypassing geolocking is small bucks in the greater scheme of copyright protection for studios but more importantly it isn't the movie studios money that is under threat. It is the regional rights holders money that is under threat. Now as for nothing having being done about this well actually this is what the link article by the OP is about.

Now your final statement leaves be a bit confused although I do like the analogy. I agree going after CourierPost because they unwittingly transporting illegal goods, advertising their ability to move goods and making it easy for people criminals and otherwise is nonsense. Where do we draw the line though? When does it become right to go after the carrier or enabler? What arguments are there to say it is right to go after megaupload but not global mode or its equivalent? To be clear I'm not arguing it is right to go after both one or neither. I'm interested in the reasoning of why some people would agree with going after one but not the other?

I asked earlier where we should or do draw the line. The only similar thing I can think of is a get away driver. We jail them just for being the driver. I suppose they are knowing enabling and assisting in the crime completion of a crime. There is certainly plenty of evidence suggesting megaupload had a vested interest in enabling copyright material being on its service. Ultimately this leads me back to one of my earliest questions which I genuinely would like to hear an answer too. Can anybody think of any use of global mode other than deliberately by passing regional rights holders?




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  Reply # 1172703 11-Nov-2014 11:07
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/63084435/support-for-action-against-slingshots-netflix-access.html

"Spark, which launched online television service Lightbox in September, had raised concerns with the labelling body last year, she said. "

Sounds like it's time to boycott Spark and LightBox. 





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  Reply # 1172725 11-Nov-2014 11:37
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I just wish that there was a streaming service in NZ that got everything the moment it finishes airing in the US/UK, is that too much to ask? if so, why?





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  Reply # 1172734 11-Nov-2014 11:57
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hamish225: I just wish that there was a streaming service in NZ that got everything the moment it finishes airing in the US/UK, is that too much to ask? if so, why?


I suggest you direct your question to the content owners, as they're the only people who can give an answer to that.



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  Reply # 1172744 11-Nov-2014 11:57
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hamish225: I just wish that there was a streaming service in NZ that got everything the moment it finishes airing in the US/UK, is that too much to ask? if so, why?


The way rights distribution works a streaming service would have to charge unreasonable rates to have the money to do that. The population vs cost doesn't work out well.

While our technology for distributing media is in the year 2000 the financial infrastructure behind it is still very much stuck in the bricks and mortar era.

You think it is bad for TV/Movies try audio books. A lot of good novels cannot be purchased because the local distributor has not purchased the right for them to be sold in Aus/NZ and we are not talking about a few months delay in most cases but never going to happen.

While possibly not the best solution there is some hope with ISP's wanting to get into the content game. The competition may result in an improvement across the board but probably not the ideal.





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