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  # 1327521 18-Jun-2015 20:22
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With the great WiFi proposal by the Wairoa Council, I am not expecting any great push in support of UFB fibre installation.

I believe that submissions for UFB fibre have to be made by 3 July.





I think the point being made is that this community isn't affording a product build on a $20 wholesale cost, so they're defiantly not going to afford a product built on a $37 wholesale price.

What's the business case for UFB with only 50% uptake?




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  # 1327530 18-Jun-2015 20:44
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DonGould: What's the business case for UFB with only 50% uptake?


A 50% uptake is very high by New Zealand standards:






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  # 1327531 18-Jun-2015 20:45
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With the great WiFi proposal by the Wairoa Council, I am not expecting any great push in support of UFB fibre installation.

I believe that submissions for UFB fibre have to be made by 3 July.





I just seriously can't belive this.

UFB and a community WiFi network are not the same thing in much the same way that this wireless network (despite the claims) is NOT a replacement for existing copper broadband.

It's a shame you don't want UFB in Wairoa. Fibre is the sort of thing that can bring a lot to a community and bring business. A WiFi network won't bring business there because it's a very poor connectivity solution that doesn't deliver anything in the way of requirements for business connectivity.


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  # 1327533 18-Jun-2015 20:48
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DonGould: What's the business case for UFB with only 50% uptake?


A 50% uptake is very high by New Zealand standards:




That graph doesn't tell me about the long term business case for the network build.

That graph just tells me about the current uptake.  We all know that it's currently not delivering a ROI to match the investment.  Projects like this don't.




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  # 1327534 18-Jun-2015 20:49
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sbiddle: Fibre is the sort of thing that can bring a lot to a community and bring business. A WiFi network won't bring business there because it's a very poor connectivity solution that doesn't deliver anything in the way of requirements for business connectivity.



I just don't agree.

I run my business on a wireless network.




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  # 1327536 18-Jun-2015 21:04
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Gordy7:
With the great WiFi proposal by the Wairoa Council, I am not expecting any great push in support of UFB fibre installation.

I believe that submissions for UFB fibre have to be made by 3 July.





I just seriously can't belive this.

UFB and a community WiFi network are not the same thing in much the same way that this wireless network (despite the claims) is NOT a replacement for existing copper broadband.

It's a shame you don't want UFB in Wairoa. Fibre is the sort of thing that can bring a lot to a community and bring business. A WiFi network won't bring business there because it's a very poor connectivity solution that doesn't deliver anything in the way of requirements for business connectivity.



Steve... I am for UFB fibre installation in Wairoa.

I can't see what appears to be 2.4GHz WiFi as proposed as a working option.

At this time I have not seen any council support for fibre installation.








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  # 1327538 18-Jun-2015 21:06
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sbiddle: Fibre is the sort of thing that can bring a lot to a community and bring business. A WiFi network won't bring business there because it's a very poor connectivity solution that doesn't deliver anything in the way of requirements for business connectivity.



I just don't agree.

I run my business on a wireless network.


A lot depends upon what kind of business you run.

Wireless may be enough if all you wanted was email, general surfing, or website maintenance, but not so good if you had to download and upload large video or audio files.




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  # 1327542 18-Jun-2015 21:11
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Sideface:...not so good if you had to download and upload large video or audio files.


That's not true at all.

We've been using wireless to move video and audio for decades.

But that's not really the point is it.

If UFB is rolled out in this community you're just not going to suddenly see people making lots of video.  Video production concentrates in areas in New Zealand, it's not spread all over the country.





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  # 1327602 19-Jun-2015 08:25
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With the great WiFi proposal by the Wairoa Council, I am not expecting any great push in support of UFB fibre installation.

I believe that submissions for UFB fibre have to be made by 3 July.





"Great"? If you read this thread you'll note it is anything but.




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  # 1327628 19-Jun-2015 08:51
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sbiddle: Fibre is the sort of thing that can bring a lot to a community and bring business. A WiFi network won't bring business there because it's a very poor connectivity solution that doesn't deliver anything in the way of requirements for business connectivity.



I just don't agree.

I run my business on a wireless network.


Yes, with a roof mounted antenna.

That is very different from the proposed solution.




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  # 1327637 19-Jun-2015 09:00
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michaelmurfy:
"Great"? If you read this thread you'll note it is anything but.
Me: With the great WiFi proposal by the Wairoa Council....
In the thread context read "Great work of art" with poor technical substance.

DonGould:
We've been using wireless to move video and audio for decades.
See: http://www.economist.com/node/2724397
Two variants, called 802.11b (which operates in the 2.4GHz band) and 802.11a (which operates in the 5.8GHz band), were ratified in December 1999 and January 2000 respectively.





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  # 1327642 19-Jun-2015 09:13
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sbiddle: Fibre is the sort of thing that can bring a lot to a community and bring business. A WiFi network won't bring business there because it's a very poor connectivity solution that doesn't deliver anything in the way of requirements for business connectivity.



I just don't agree.

I run my business on a wireless network.


So you run your business on a metro WiFi hotspot network? I highly doubt that..

As I keep trying to explain the problem with this solution is that it simply won't work. At least I'm glad I'm not a ratepayer there putting my money into it.

And for people to exclaim they don't want UFB because they're going to build a WiFi network that at it's very, very best could deliver about 1/10th of the speed of UFB, no CIR, no security, no (real) QoS and the inability for customers to do basic things such as sharing on their non existent internal network without double NAT just has a disaster written all over it. That is not a business solution.

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'Twouldn't be the first one of these ^^^ that a council has mooted to its ratepayers.




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Points for business case for UFB fibre in Wairoa:

- Forward thinking technology.
- Proven reliable technology.
- Technology already established in significant parts of NZ.
- Very good bandwidth for web surfing, uploading/downloading, 3 or 4 family laptops/computers, online TV and movies, security camera systems.
- Street fibre installation is being financed by central Govt.
- Copper lines not being maintained or expanded.
- VDSL not widely available.
- Proposed community Wairoa WiFi will not work.
- Many people are using copper broadband for the same ISP price for fibre.





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  # 1327716 19-Jun-2015 10:49
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Shorter "push for UFB reasons"

Without it, you end up being a second class town.  It's not (necessarily) a ticket to be an amazing standout -- but it is a necessary ticket to stay in the game.

Here in Whanganui the council has been behind the UFB rollout in a big way, and it's a testament to their support that our UFB network is complete.

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