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  # 1327788 19-Jun-2015 11:49
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I see that Transpower has scheduled an upgrade to its sub-station in the area.

Transpower often install fibre links  for their own purposes. It would be worth a phone call to find out if a fibre optic link is included in the upgrade and they are prepared to offer Wairoa piggy back access to this.

For distribution around the town, what about your local electric lines company? In Ashburton the local lines company was able to do a fibre roll out cheap in the central business district using old coal gas pipes they were the legacy owners of.




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  # 1327863 19-Jun-2015 14:05
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At my workplace our wifi client count can peak to 8000 connected devices during the day across 3 sites.  People seem to be under the impression that because it's easy to setup one WiFi access point at home to service 10 clients that it's just as easy to handle a large user population or cover a whole city this way.  "It works fine at home, why is it so hard to do here?"...  It's definately not as easy as non-technical users believe!



 
 
 
 


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  # 1331924 26-Jun-2015 09:51
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Heard through the grapevine that this has been dropped..  

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  # 1331953 26-Jun-2015 10:55
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Guv: Heard through the grapevine that this has been dropped..  

 

Will be interesting to see if they've made a bit for the UFB extension, my thoughts are that they will have..

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  # 1332163 26-Jun-2015 15:12
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Guv: Heard through the grapevine that this has been dropped..  


So do they have a new plan for getting the internet to the homes that aren't currently affording it?




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  # 1332341 26-Jun-2015 20:15
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DonGould:

I think the point being made is that this community isn't affording a product build on a $20 wholesale cost, so they're defiantly not going to afford a product built on a $37 wholesale price.

What's the business case for UFB with only 50% uptake?


Then surely they can't afford $22/month more rates + whatever price it would be for this metro wifi either. That's assuming a working cost effective wifi solution could actually be delivered.

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  # 1332490 27-Jun-2015 00:39
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DonGould:
Guv: Heard through the grapevine that this has been dropped..  


So do they have a new plan for getting the internet to the homes that aren't currently affording it?


There is no plan.
UFB is more important, helps create jobs and has a greater return on the investment of the man-hours put in by council staff

Affordability and free wifi can come later.
Creating jobs for the unemployed is more important than giving them free wifi.




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  # 1332520 27-Jun-2015 06:15
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Guv: Heard through the grapevine that this has been dropped..  

Probably for the best.

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  # 1333235 29-Jun-2015 11:10
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raytaylor:
DonGould:
Guv: Heard through the grapevine that this has been dropped..  


So do they have a new plan for getting the internet to the homes that aren't currently affording it?


There is no plan.
UFB is more important, helps create jobs and has a greater return on the investment of the man-hours put in by council staff

Affordability and free wifi can come later.
Creating jobs for the unemployed is more important than giving them free wifi.


So the poor unemployed people build yet another network for the rich and then won't afford it.

So we get a continuation of the current status quo where the existing 50% of homes who have it now continue to have it, while the rest don't.

So the council had a plan to get internet access to their whole community, but have now abandoned it in favour of just getting faster internet to those who already have it?






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  # 1333238 29-Jun-2015 11:16
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Ragnor:
DonGould:

I think the point being made is that this community isn't affording a product build on a $20 wholesale cost, so they're defiantly not going to afford a product built on a $37 wholesale price.

What's the business case for UFB with only 50% uptake?


Then surely they can't afford $22/month more rates + whatever price it would be for this metro wifi either. That's assuming a working cost effective wifi solution could actually be delivered.


Ragnor in response to your comment I've bolded the key word in the comment you responded to.

The issue here isn't about anyones ability to afford service.  In my view it's about their willingness to afford it.

The knock on of this unwillingness is that these people become digitally disadvantaged. 






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  # 1333239 29-Jun-2015 11:17
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quickymart:
Guv: Heard through the grapevine that this has been dropped..  

Probably for the best.


Can you, and the two other people who supported your comment, explain why this is for the best?

If people aren't affording copper now, why is it best that a community offering isn't provided?




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  # 1333300 29-Jun-2015 12:40
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DonGould:
Ragnor:
DonGould:

I think the point being made is that this community isn't affording a product build on a $20 wholesale cost, so they're defiantly not going to afford a product built on a $37 wholesale price.

What's the business case for UFB with only 50% uptake?


Then surely they can't afford $22/month more rates + whatever price it would be for this metro wifi either. That's assuming a working cost effective wifi solution could actually be delivered.


Ragnor in response to your comment I've bolded the key word in the comment you responded to.

The issue here isn't about anyones ability to afford service.  In my view it's about their willingness to afford it.

The knock on of this unwillingness is that these people become digitally disadvantaged. 




You can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink.

Some people just do not want the internet challenge.

If they can't afford the internet, how are they going to buy a new computer or pay for the maintenance of a hand-me-down, or the educational challenge to get started?




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  # 1333317 29-Jun-2015 12:58
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DonGould:
quickymart:
Guv: Heard through the grapevine that this has been dropped..  

Probably for the best.


Can you, and the two other people who supported your comment, explain why this is for the best?

If people aren't affording copper now, why is it best that a community offering isn't provided?


Children today are using fast internet at schools.

They won't want to come home and extend their education on a poor internet connection.

Todays children will be residents tomorrow who may want to work from home with a good internet service.





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  # 1333520 29-Jun-2015 15:45
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Gordy7:  Children today are using fast internet at schools.

They won't want to come home and extend their education on a poor internet connection.

Todays children will be residents tomorrow who may want to work from home with a good internet service.



We used to hear this same argument from dial up to ADSL, yet here we are 15 years later, a generation, and they still don't purchase it.

I suspect that we're just going to do another rinse cycle with this one.

What I think is far more likely is that these kids will get data on their phones but their children will be without the internet at home as they are today.  This is the trend that we're already seeing in our community right now.

I have DSL, HFC, 3G and 4G networks around me, yet children are still saying that they don't have the internet at home.

You're quite right, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it buy the water.

If the internet is 'free' like the water is in New Zealand then perhaps the horses might start to drink it.






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  # 1333544 29-Jun-2015 16:11
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DonGould: If the internet is 'free' like the water is in New Zealand then perhaps the horses might start to drink it.


My Watercare bill begs to differ




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