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  # 1372060 22-Aug-2015 17:41
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DarthKermit: And then you get bastards like me who've had UFB running past the gate since early 2013 and haven't connected to it.


Have you no shame?  frown

What are you using instead? Cable? VDSL?




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  # 1372061 22-Aug-2015 17:46
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this is getting depressing ... good night!




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  # 1372070 22-Aug-2015 18:10
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tripper1000:

The reverse of the conspiracy theory has been true in the past with ADSL - it didn't seem like any coincidence that Telecom first cabinetised areas that had unbundled exchanges.
<edit: spelling - you're vs your - grrr>


If that was the case (unbundling UCLL capable exchanges first) it would have been totally logical - UCLL providers cherry picked exchanges with massive coverage footprints for their initial deployments.

Exchanges with massive footprints meant a larger customer base to pick from, but also means there will be large numbers of customers who had poor xDSL due to longer MPF runs.

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  # 1372091 22-Aug-2015 18:40
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Got connected to Fibre yesterday after the spade fade was fixed at the top of the driveway

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  # 1372093 22-Aug-2015 18:43
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johnr: Got connected to Fibre yesterday after the spade fade was fixed at the top of the driveway


What is a "spade fade"?  (Sounds like a crossword clue.)




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  # 1372099 22-Aug-2015 18:55
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johnr: Got connected to Fibre yesterday after the spade fade was fixed at the top of the driveway


What is a "spade fade"?  (Sounds like a crossword clue.)


You are a Geek and don't know what ' Spade fade ' is? Fibre does not like been cut in half with a spade

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  # 1372129 22-Aug-2015 19:14
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I couldn't find "spade fade" on Google, but I did find BiFF = Backhoe induced Fiber Failure.




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  # 1372132 22-Aug-2015 19:21
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Sideface: I couldn't find "spade fade" on Google, but I did find BiFF = Backhoe induced Fiber Failure.


Spade fade is better



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  # 1372133 22-Aug-2015 19:22
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Athlonite:
sbiddle:
Falloutboy:

It makes me wonder if we are being supplied last to protect Vodafones ability to charge exorbitant prices for cable connections in those areas where cable exists as my understanding is there is very little profitability in UFB for ISPs



Can you please explain your logic behind this comment?

It suggests that you think somehow Vodafone have had enough influence over CFH and Enable networks that they purposely aren't installing UFB. Such a comment is totally preposterous. Why would CFH or Enable do such a thing?





Maybe the thought process is that there is already access to high speed broadband services (Vodafone Cable) so no need to rush in willy nilly servicing an already HS enabled area
Who knows but I'd put my money on that being the case though 


The thought process is actually knowledge obtained directly from Telstra Clear of an agreement that existed between Telstra Clear now Vodafone and Telecom now Spark.
When I was a Telstra Clear customer on a 10 megabit connection I was informed by them when wanting to switch to ADSL that I could not as I lived in the Telstra Clear coverage area and that they had a contract with Telecom stating that they were not allowed to on sell ADSL services to people within the Telstra coverage area.

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Falloutboy:
Athlonite:
sbiddle:
Falloutboy:

It makes me wonder if we are being supplied last to protect Vodafones ability to charge exorbitant prices for cable connections in those areas where cable exists as my understanding is there is very little profitability in UFB for ISPs



Can you please explain your logic behind this comment?

It suggests that you think somehow Vodafone have had enough influence over CFH and Enable networks that they purposely aren't installing UFB. Such a comment is totally preposterous. Why would CFH or Enable do such a thing?





Maybe the thought process is that there is already access to high speed broadband services (Vodafone Cable) so no need to rush in willy nilly servicing an already HS enabled area
Who knows but I'd put my money on that being the case though 


The thought process is actually knowledge obtained directly from Telstra Clear of an agreement that existed between Telstra Clear now Vodafone and Telecom now Spark.
When I was a Telstra Clear customer on a 10 megabit connection I was informed by them when wanting to switch to ADSL that I could not as I lived in the Telstra Clear coverage area and that they had a contract with Telecom stating that they were not allowed to on sell ADSL services to people within the Telstra coverage area.


Ive not heard of that. Closest I can recall is that down here, there are some subdivisions that were Telstra cabled only, Pegasus comes to mind. Back in the days of ADSL, some subdivisions were "ADSL-less" Developer choice, save costs. I imagine any Telstra only subdivisions were a developer deal.

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Falloutboy:
Athlonite:
sbiddle:
Falloutboy:

It makes me wonder if we are being supplied last to protect Vodafones ability to charge exorbitant prices for cable connections in those areas where cable exists as my understanding is there is very little profitability in UFB for ISPs



Can you please explain your logic behind this comment?

It suggests that you think somehow Vodafone have had enough influence over CFH and Enable networks that they purposely aren't installing UFB. Such a comment is totally preposterous. Why would CFH or Enable do such a thing?





Maybe the thought process is that there is already access to high speed broadband services (Vodafone Cable) so no need to rush in willy nilly servicing an already HS enabled area
Who knows but I'd put my money on that being the case though 


The thought process is actually knowledge obtained directly from Telstra Clear of an agreement that existed between Telstra Clear now Vodafone and Telecom now Spark.
When I was a Telstra Clear customer on a 10 megabit connection I was informed by them when wanting to switch to ADSL that I could not as I lived in the Telstra Clear coverage area and that they had a contract with Telecom stating that they were not allowed to on sell ADSL services to people within the Telstra coverage area.


Even if there wasn't such an agreement there is no reason they would sell you ADSL when their own cable network was available.  Why sell a service to where you have to split the revenue with a third party where you can sell a service using your own infrastructure and keep all the revenue.  This will be the same reason that Vodafone won't sell you a fibre service in areas they already have their own cable.

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graemeh:
Falloutboy:
Athlonite:
sbiddle:
Falloutboy:

It makes me wonder if we are being supplied last to protect Vodafones ability to charge exorbitant prices for cable connections in those areas where cable exists as my understanding is there is very little profitability in UFB for ISPs



Can you please explain your logic behind this comment?

It suggests that you think somehow Vodafone have had enough influence over CFH and Enable networks that they purposely aren't installing UFB. Such a comment is totally preposterous. Why would CFH or Enable do such a thing?





Maybe the thought process is that there is already access to high speed broadband services (Vodafone Cable) so no need to rush in willy nilly servicing an already HS enabled area
Who knows but I'd put my money on that being the case though 


The thought process is actually knowledge obtained directly from Telstra Clear of an agreement that existed between Telstra Clear now Vodafone and Telecom now Spark.
When I was a Telstra Clear customer on a 10 megabit connection I was informed by them when wanting to switch to ADSL that I could not as I lived in the Telstra Clear coverage area and that they had a contract with Telecom stating that they were not allowed to on sell ADSL services to people within the Telstra coverage area.


Even if there wasn't such an agreement there is no reason they would sell you ADSL when their own cable network was available.  Why sell a service to where you have to split the revenue with a third party where you can sell a service using your own infrastructure and keep all the revenue.  This will be the same reason that Vodafone won't sell you a fibre service in areas they already have their own cable.


Thats what I feel is the case, I have read that, probably here in the past. And thats fair, it's a business decision

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tdgeek:
Falloutboy:
Athlonite:
sbiddle:
Falloutboy:

It makes me wonder if we are being supplied last to protect Vodafones ability to charge exorbitant prices for cable connections in those areas where cable exists as my understanding is there is very little profitability in UFB for ISPs



Can you please explain your logic behind this comment?

It suggests that you think somehow Vodafone have had enough influence over CFH and Enable networks that they purposely aren't installing UFB. Such a comment is totally preposterous. Why would CFH or Enable do such a thing?





Maybe the thought process is that there is already access to high speed broadband services (Vodafone Cable) so no need to rush in willy nilly servicing an already HS enabled area
Who knows but I'd put my money on that being the case though 


The thought process is actually knowledge obtained directly from Telstra Clear of an agreement that existed between Telstra Clear now Vodafone and Telecom now Spark.
When I was a Telstra Clear customer on a 10 megabit connection I was informed by them when wanting to switch to ADSL that I could not as I lived in the Telstra Clear coverage area and that they had a contract with Telecom stating that they were not allowed to on sell ADSL services to people within the Telstra coverage area.


Ive not heard of that. Closest I can recall is that down here, there are some subdivisions that were Telstra cabled only, Pegasus comes to mind. Back in the days of ADSL, some subdivisions were "ADSL-less" Developer choice, save costs. I imagine any Telstra only subdivisions were a developer deal.




^ This.

TC - now VF want to put customers on their own cable service as opposed to fibre / xDSL, as they reap all the money from the connection (no LFC / lines provider to pay).
That is the reason why.



Btw, just for historical note / useless historical info.

Pegasus was cabled with HFC because the developers wanted fibre, however they didn't know the difference between FTTN and FTTH - they just wanted "fibre".
TC won the bid with HFC.



Feel sorry for the people who purchased there. I think people shouldn't be forced to one RSP only.
Should be personal choice based on RSP merit / offerings.





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