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Topic # 179314 3-Sep-2015 17:13
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A while ago there was a review of how installs were managed where consent is required. Has there been any further progress on this? I've got a neighbor who has fallen off the planet/moved back to China leaving only an email address with their property manager - and the property manager claims they aren't responding. So I'm sort of hoping these proposed changes go through.

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  Reply # 1379317 3-Sep-2015 17:59
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Nope. It's only a month ago, these things take time.

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  Reply # 1379343 3-Sep-2015 18:44
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Expectations are it'll probably be mid 2016 before anything changes (if it does - but clearly the Govt wants it changed)


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1379376 3-Sep-2015 19:52
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At the symposium in wellington a few months ago, i think it was in the ministers speech that she acknowledged there was a consent problem, and it was one of the biggest recomendations of the group that day so I am hopeful.

I think the legal aspects will simply be changed so that the current like-for-like rules mean a fibre service can be considered like a copper phone service and therefore any pre-existing copper phone easements can be used to get fibre connections installed faster.




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  Reply # 1379378 3-Sep-2015 19:57
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raytaylor: At the symposium in wellington a few months ago, i think it was in the ministers speech that she acknowledged there was a consent problem, and it was one of the biggest recomendations of the group that day so I am hopeful.

I think the legal aspects will simply be changed so that the current like-for-like rules mean a fibre service can be considered like a copper phone service and therefore any pre-existing copper phone easements can be used to get fibre connections installed faster.


It won't be quite as simple as copper, but will likely be an opt out basis rather than opt in - ie you're given 60 days (as an example) to give your consent or non consent for an install. If you don't decline then it's assumed you've given consent.


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  Reply # 1379926 4-Sep-2015 18:06
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Oooh i like that idea too.




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  Reply # 1387652 15-Sep-2015 09:20
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I guess mid 2016 is better than never. I've been trying to get fibre since November of last year.

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  Reply # 1387657 15-Sep-2015 09:26
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The property manager can consent on behalf of the owner. I had to go down that road with my install. Couldn't locate the owner anywhere.




 



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  Reply # 1388285 15-Sep-2015 22:45
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Really!? When I spoke to the property manager suggesting if he could do this he said he called Chorus and they told him they needed the owners permission.

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  Reply # 1388313 16-Sep-2015 01:50
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sbiddle:
raytaylor: At the symposium in wellington a few months ago, i think it was in the ministers speech that she acknowledged there was a consent problem, and it was one of the biggest recomendations of the group that day so I am hopeful.

I think the legal aspects will simply be changed so that the current like-for-like rules mean a fibre service can be considered like a copper phone service and therefore any pre-existing copper phone easements can be used to get fibre connections installed faster.


It won't be quite as simple as copper, but will likely be an opt out basis rather than opt in - ie you're given 60 days (as an example) to give your consent or non consent for an install. If you don't decline then it's assumed you've given consent.




This would cause alot of problems if [most likely when] Chorus stop offering copper based phone and xDSL in areas where they provide fibre. As some people could presumably be stranded with no phone or internet service at all. (apart from mobile of course) Due to easements only allowing copper based service's and no provider being able to offer a copper based service. So some nasty neighbours could end up being given a de facto power to say no more Internet or phone.





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  Reply # 1388705 16-Sep-2015 20:35
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gished: Really!? When I spoke to the property manager suggesting if he could do this he said he called Chorus and they told him they needed the owners permission.


I just checked the email I got from Wilson Hurst, who handled my consent for Chorus and I quote "Consent from the property manager is fine"




 



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  Reply # 1391284 21-Sep-2015 13:52
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Thanks. That gives me some hope. I might ask in the Chorus forum if there are any gotchas around that (ie if that is something that may have been included in the property management contract between the owner and PM)

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  Reply # 1392513 23-Sep-2015 09:58
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At least you have an option, I have a neighbor who just outright denied consent due to not wanting to affect their driveway. Chorus has already cancelled the job and put a 6 month hold on another attempt.

The most annoying thing, I am on a subdivided section of three houses, the other two are delivered via underground and I have an overhead copper line. :(

Not to mention it took from January to May to even get Chorus/ Downer around to inspect the site, then the neighbor denied consent before the design was finished so have no idea if they were going to even affect the driveway..

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  Reply # 1392537 23-Sep-2015 10:05
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Torquenstein: At least you have an option, I have a neighbor who just outright denied consent due to not wanting to affect their driveway. Chorus has already cancelled the job and put a 6 month hold on another attempt.

The most annoying thing, I am on a subdivided section of three houses, the other two are delivered via underground and I have an overhead copper line. :(

Not to mention it took from January to May to even get Chorus/ Downer around to inspect the site, then the neighbor denied consent before the design was finished so have no idea if they were going to even affect the driveway..


What a numpty.  Have you talked face to face with said neighbour, and attempted to explain the advantages? If you have and they still won't budge personally I'd consider moving... 

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raytaylor: At the symposium in wellington a few months ago, i think it was in the ministers speech that she acknowledged there was a consent problem, and it was one of the biggest recomendations of the group that day so I am hopeful.

I think the legal aspects will simply be changed so that the current like-for-like rules mean a fibre service can be considered like a copper phone service and therefore any pre-existing copper phone easements can be used to get fibre connections installed faster.


I thought this had been solved by installing composite fibre cable with copper in it.




Qualified in business, certified in fibre, stuck in copper, have to keep going  ^_^

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Torquenstein: At least you have an option, I have a neighbor who just outright denied consent due to not wanting to affect their driveway. Chorus has already cancelled the job and put a 6 month hold on another attempt.

The most annoying thing, I am on a subdivided section of three houses, the other two are delivered via underground and I have an overhead copper line. :(

Not to mention it took from January to May to even get Chorus/ Downer around to inspect the site, then the neighbor denied consent before the design was finished so have no idea if they were going to even affect the driveway..
The definitely have composite overhead cable available now... They should be able to simply replace the overhead copper.




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