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Topic # 189376 27-Dec-2015 00:58
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Hello all

We are in rural North Canterbury between Motunau and Greta Valley.  In the early / mid 2000s our exchange was upgraded to ADSL. At that time our ping was 50 / 80ms, dl 1.6mb, uplink 0.4mb. For the time the connection was great and a big improvement over the iHug satellite service we were having to use. But that must have been over a decade ago. 

Circa 2010 we noticed that the dl shot up to a consistent and exact 3.2mbps from the 1.6mbps previous. No change to uplink.

Unfortunately now the connection will range between 1 and 3.2 mbps.  There seems to be little correlation with the decrease in speed to peak times or days of week.  All the neighbours on the same exchange have noticed the same.  The unrealibility of the speed is frustrating and it is so bad that basic email, trade me browsing, or internet banking can come to a halt. Forget tv on demand or youtube. Of course the connection has a greater load on it now more than ever as there are several computers online, several misc items (apple tv x2, samsung tv, WD media server), 3 smartphones and 2 tablets.  We have lodged faults perviously but nothing useful ever gets done and there never seems to be any improvements made. 

We have no mobile coverage from any 3 providers due to a very large hill obstructing the signal, however, a paddock of ours adjacent to the house (paddock is 2km line of sight from house) is line of sight (12km) to the Greta Valley towers for Spark and Vodafone - the paddock has line of site to both towers and all smartphones show full signal on either network.

I think it should be easy enough to set up a small relay station on the paddock powered by solar and battery and 4G modem and antenna, and with a point to point network between the station and the house.  That part I understand. I think a few thousand dollars would be needed for the build, but of course don’t want to shell out anything until have some assurance the connection will be a significant upgrade over our copper connection which is unreliable, and underwhelming even when on form. 

When I approached a RBI reseller they did not advise connecting to the Vodafone tower because it needs an upgrade which will be happening in early 2016.  (their system said it was unsuitable for RBI connection for now). 

Does anyone have access to information on what exactly the overhaul to Vodafone’s infrastructure will entail? Will the tower be fibre linked, and upgraded to 700MHz 4G? Assume perfect conditions is there an approach speed we could reasonably expect? Are there others who are connecting via 700MHz 4G with between 10 and 20 km line of sight? What about Spark's existing infrastructure there? Also will 2degrees erect a tower there soon (they have been coming north of Chch - now with Waikuku, Amberley, Waipara, Hamner and Culverden all towered)? Also, are there any particular experiences or problems when using any particular 4G RBI reseller? I understand from a family member's 4G RBI set up (they are down in southland) that Spark do not allow their RBI plan users to use 3G, and my family member was supplied a 4G only modem so there was no 3G fallback. 

Thanks.

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  Reply # 1457598 27-Dec-2015 00:58
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Hello... Our robot found some keywords in your post, so here is an automated reply with some important things to note regarding broadband speeds.

 



 

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  Reply # 1457633 27-Dec-2015 06:59
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Looking at the RBI coverage map for Vodafone, Motunau has the status of "planned" - is that where you are?

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1457693 27-Dec-2015 13:09
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No, we are on Motunau Beach road about half way along.  

The house is not covered by any coverage nor planned coverage, but the paddock in question currently has a strong signal and is also included the 'planned' section of the coverage map under rural broadband.  

Even though it has been said an upgrade is coming soon, supposedly, it's not clear that this upgrade will mean the tower is fibre linked and 4G (or am I wrong?) and be brought up to the 'planned' rural broadband coverage? 

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  Reply # 1457697 27-Dec-2015 13:38
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I would expect both Vodafone and Spark have comparable RBI product offerings. 4G only (no 3G fallback), in the areas where they have sites.

The vast majority of Vodafone and Spark sites have fibre backhaul, and they wouldn't offer 4G if they didn't have decent backhaul to it.

I would say a good place to go to is checking the Vodafone and Spark coverage maps. Then you will know they both supply Huawei B315 CPE. Then go have a chat with the guys from Cellutronics and see if either you could get a high gain antenna which you could mount outside with the appropriate connectors to plug into the B315 that you could run from home if the coverage is iffy. Then talk to the GoWifi folks for Point to Point APs. Then a UPS and solar panels and you're done.







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  Reply # 1457710 27-Dec-2015 14:29
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Thanks BarTender. 

Yes I'm often using their coverage maps, but unfortunately it doesn't often given any idea of speed (naturally) or their plans for tower upgrades. 

Thanks for the references. And while I cannot seem to use your mobile sites database at the moment, I have often used your database for a number of years and it has been very useful indeed - thanks for all your work on it. 

A family friend of ours has a RBI plan from Netspeed in the Greta / Omihi area and theirs was running on through Vodafone's 3G network and they were getting 20mbps dl / 5mbps up and a low ping - so I know at least a 3G fallback or main connection is possible through Netspeed on Vodafone's connection.  Of course that was (probably) connected to the Waipara Vodafone tower which may have a different connection to Greta Valley's. 

If 3G is ok from the Greta tower, i.e. if speeds of 20/5 were possible, we would be happy jumping on board before 4G is rolled out here. 

I couldn't see from the specifications, does the B315 only use 700MHz? Ideally we would have one that uses 850 & 900MHz 3G (so we could use either Spark or Vodafone 3G network in the meantime) as well as the 700MHz, so we could put in place a 3G link system now that will be relatively future proofed, well at least for the tower being upgraded to 700MHz 4G, whether that is in the next few months or presumably within the next few years at the latest.



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  Reply # 1457775 27-Dec-2015 16:09
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Vodafone provides 3G fall back on RBI

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  Reply # 1457809 27-Dec-2015 17:13
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I'm not sure if the B315 support WCDMA 850 or 900 as the various sites I have checked only list 1800 or 2100 Mhz WCDMA/UMTS/3G.

I'll ask some more knowledgeable people I know, but I am not sure when I will get a response due to Christmas.







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  Reply # 1457898 27-Dec-2015 21:19
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John, are you able to find out or give me any details on what work is planned for the Greta Valley tower, and a rough time estimate for when the work is planned to be completed?

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  Reply # 1457914 27-Dec-2015 21:51
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I think you may be out of luck - looks like the local geography is working against you there :(

 

How well does dialup work there (serious question)?



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  Reply # 1457916 27-Dec-2015 21:54
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Hey Quickymart, 

Well, while I consider it substandard, at least we are already on ADSL, so thankfully we won't be resorting to dialup.  Are dialup connections still available these days? 

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  Reply # 1457933 27-Dec-2015 22:36
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They are but I wondered if you might be too far from the exchange for it to work. But you have ADSL, so that answers that question :)

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  Reply # 1458090 28-Dec-2015 12:35
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am289: John, are you able to find out or give me any details on what work is planned for the Greta Valley tower, and a rough time estimate for when the work is planned to be completed?

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@am289 plans change / dates change all the time, Not really worth providing this INFO until really the people are onsite doing the work

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  Reply # 1458170 28-Dec-2015 17:50
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Give Amuri a call www.amuri.net they may have an option for you. i know they do RBI as well as their own network which may reach you. they may even be able to help you out with the link between the house and paddock if this is the only option



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  Reply # 1458229 28-Dec-2015 20:24
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Do Amuri have a coverage map?

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  Reply # 1458246 28-Dec-2015 20:32
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I don't think so. Just fill in one of the forms on the website and they will be in contact

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