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  #1467422 11-Jan-2016 11:01
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While I agree with the thrust of your argument, comparing fiber (which has alternatives) with power (which doesn't) is a tad disingenuous.

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  #1467425 11-Jan-2016 11:05
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wasabi2k: While I agree with the thrust of your argument, comparing fiber (which has alternatives) with power (which doesn't) is a tad disingenuous.


I don't think so at all. The occupant of the house is (probably) a tax payer, therefore they have paid for the fiber network outside the property. So IMO connecting to it should be a right.




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  #1467438 11-Jan-2016 11:35
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wasabi2k: You get that the landlord OWNS the house right?

And that most UFB installs will involve drilling a hole through the wall from the outside, not to mention other work on the property (potentially cutting up driveways, running cables etc).

Would you be happy if a tenant of a house you owned went ahead and got holes drilled in your house without even notifying you? Or that you were forced to allow someone to do so, even if you didn't want it done?

I agree that 99% of landlords shouldn't have a problem with it, but tenants don't have free reign to do whatever to property they don't own.


There is a difference between a professional drilling holes to install a utility service vs. a gung-ho tenant drilling holes in the wall just because they feel like it. IMHO, too many landlords have a "My house, my rules" attitude, without necessarily balancing the rights of the person who is paying the mortgage for them. There needs to be a mechanism to challenge refusal for both tenants as well as those with "right of way" access who are blocked from getting utility installs by consenting parties who just say no without a good reason.




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  #1467475 11-Jan-2016 12:01
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wasabi2k: You get that the landlord OWNS the house right?

And that most UFB installs will involve drilling a hole through the wall from the outside, not to mention other work on the property (potentially cutting up driveways, running cables etc).

Would you be happy if a tenant of a house you owned went ahead and got holes drilled in your house without even notifying you? Or that you were forced to allow someone to do so, even if you didn't want it done?

I agree that 99% of landlords shouldn't have a problem with it, but tenants don't have free reign to do whatever to property they don't own.


There is a difference between a professional drilling holes to install a utility service vs. a gung-ho tenant drilling holes in the wall just because they feel like it. IMHO, too many landlords have a "My house, my rules" attitude, without necessarily balancing the rights of the person who is paying the mortgage for them. There needs to be a mechanism to challenge refusal for both tenants as well as those with "right of way" access who are blocked from getting utility installs by consenting parties who just say no without a good reason.


I am conflicted - the cynic in me agrees largely with the my house, my rules attitude - but I would lose my lolly if a landlord refused an install for me.

What your landlord chooses to do with your rent is none of your business - I'd hope that landlords realize that happy tenants are good tenants and that things like fibre are a benefit.

On the flipside, removing a landlord's right to refuse an install is pretty crazy.

In addition - while I am sure the majority of UFB installs (at least I hope) are done professionally and well, we have all seen horror stories on here. As has been mentioned here, if a bad install is done and approved by a tenant and it causes issues, then is the tenant on the hook?



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  #1467499 11-Jan-2016 12:49
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No indoor running water for you peasant house renter! I dont want the pipes installed because they have to make holes!

Seems absurd? So is preventing internet.




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  #1467503 11-Jan-2016 12:52
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richms: No indoor running water for you peasant house renter! I dont want the pipes installed because they have to make holes!

Seems absurd? So is preventing internet.


how many houses don't already have water pipes

stupid comparison

they are not preventing internet, they are preventing UFB, there are other methods of internet out there.

I agree everyone should have the right to connect to UFB I just don't like the way you make it sound like its a necessity to live



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  #1467549 11-Jan-2016 13:22
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Ok good, we have covered both sides, let's leave it at that.

Please message me if you want this unlocked.

Thanks.

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