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  #1710737 27-Jan-2017 16:22
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might want to check this link useful information tells you which towns and when fiber going get there https://www.crownfibre.govt.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Media-Pack-UFB2-Coverage-List-and-Rollout-Timetable.xlsx.pdf


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  #1710751 27-Jan-2017 16:56
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Got to say, I'm pretty disappointed.

 

The outcome in the Hamilton periphery is somewhat bizarre.

 

Of the three small towns/villages to the west of the city (Horotiu, Whatawhata and Te Kowhai) two are getting UFB and one isn't.

 

And guess what, I live in the one that isn't (Te Kowhai). Grrr!

 

The odd thing is that while small, Te Kowhai is certainly comparable to a number of other areas that have made the cut (including nearby Horotiu).

 

The housing density in the village is typical suburban, plus both the small Chorus exchange and school in the middle of the village are already both fibre fed.

 

So what gives?

 

Once you include Ngaruawahia it seems like everyone is getting fibre except us!


 
 
 
 


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  #1710777 27-Jan-2017 17:58
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the problem is there is only x amount of money, and someone has to miss out. unfortunately for you its where you live.


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  #1710792 27-Jan-2017 18:24
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evilengineer:

 

Got to say, I'm pretty disappointed.

 

The outcome in the Hamilton periphery is somewhat bizarre.

 

Of the three small towns/villages to the west of the city (Horotiu, Whatawhata and Te Kowhai) two are getting UFB and one isn't.

 

And guess what, I live in the one that isn't (Te Kowhai). Grrr!

 

The odd thing is that while small, Te Kowhai is certainly comparable to a number of other areas that have made the cut (including nearby Horotiu).

 

The housing density in the village is typical suburban, plus both the small Chorus exchange and school in the middle of the village are already both fibre fed.

 

So what gives?

 

Once you include Ngaruawahia it seems like everyone is getting fibre except us!

 

 

Could fall under Horotiu? Wait for Chorus to update their address checker


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  #1710818 27-Jan-2017 19:58
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evilengineer:

 

Got to say, I'm pretty disappointed.

 

The outcome in the Hamilton periphery is somewhat bizarre.

 

...

 

Once you include Ngaruawahia it seems like everyone is getting fibre except us!

 

 

I guess I'd held out a slim hope that Matangi / Tamahere (Between Hamilton and Cambridge) would come under the additional areas that weren't part of the RFP but included in UFB2 too. As others have stated though, the line gets drawn somewhere. I assume that our housing density is what has ruled us out this time.

 

Now that we know we're not covered, hopefully the community / council proposal to part-fund a fibre install will proceed.

 

I found it interesting that UltraFast Fibre, who did the Hamilton and Cambridge areas under UFB1, have no Crown Fibre Holdings funding commitment under UFB2. Makes me wonder if it could be possible after all for the "significant commercial investment, and strong support from the community in the form of a financial contribution" to occur and make an install happen after all.

 

Fingers still crossed, and gradually filling the piggy bank in hope...


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  #1710828 27-Jan-2017 20:36
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DjShadow:

 

Behodar:

 

DjShadow:

 

What would the thinking likely be looking beyond UFB2 for areas still without fibre? More focus on wireless/satellite so the copper network can be decommissioned? 

 

 

Some places don't even have ADSL1 - Haast comes to mind. I think 4G would typically be the alternative (via RBI) but I see that Haast doesn't even have 3G!

 

 

Hasst has something: https://www.farmside.co.nz/Broadband/CommunityBroadband/HaastBroadbandandPhone.aspx

 

 

 

 

That's still really expensive for most people. Would be nice if there was some proper infrastructure there. They manage it to Karamea, at the other end of the Coast with a similar population...


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  #1710996 28-Jan-2017 11:59
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How much did it cost to roll out copper to the whole country, and how did we afforded to do so back then? Can the same methods be applied to fibre?


 
 
 
 


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  #1710999 28-Jan-2017 12:05
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No idea what it cost. But remember a lot of rural people used to be on party lines, presumably to cut costs.

 

I'd imagine it would cost a huge amount to string fibre out to every last rural house and farm around NZ. That's why the cut off (at this stage two) are towns with a certain population level.


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Ultimate Geek


  #1711119 28-Jan-2017 17:50
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evilengineer:

 

Got to say, I'm pretty disappointed.

 

The outcome in the Hamilton periphery is somewhat bizarre.

 

Of the three small towns/villages to the west of the city (Horotiu, Whatawhata and Te Kowhai) two are getting UFB and one isn't.

 

And guess what, I live in the one that isn't (Te Kowhai). Grrr!

 

The odd thing is that while small, Te Kowhai is certainly comparable to a number of other areas that have made the cut (including nearby Horotiu).

 

The housing density in the village is typical suburban, plus both the small Chorus exchange and school in the middle of the village are already both fibre fed.

 

So what gives?

 

Once you include Ngaruawahia it seems like everyone is getting fibre except us!

 

 

I can't tell you how the decision was made but back in Sept 2015 the govt came out with a long list of locations, it was about 7.5% of the population, they were aiming for around 5% increase so the thought was some would miss out. They have managed to get about 8.5%, including all the sites on this list and a few others. Te Kowhai was not on that list the other 2 places were.

 

The govt had all the councils submit a digital enablement plan, in the case of Auckland Council, only about 60% of the places they submitted made the 2015 list and final cut. A number of areas not on there list did. I am not sure how much those plans played into the list, it would seem not hugely.

 

There was a big push on some of the local community facebook groups in North and North West Auckland to submit the address on the broadband.govt.nz website. I believe the turnout was pretty good. Most of those areas have feared pretty well and are getting UFB stage 2, a number of areas in South and East Auckland have missed out.

 

Many of the areas I have heard people being very vocal in the last few years seemed to have got UFB Stage 2. Waiatarua and Outram come to mind.


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  #1711127 28-Jan-2017 18:23
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Coming from Canterbury, I'm a bit disappointed our coverage is not comparable to Auckland and Wellington who both have well over 90% coverage in UFB2. Canterbury only has 80% which is a large discrepancy.

https://www.crownfibre.govt.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/UFB2-Media-Pack-Population-Coverage_25.01.17.docx.pdf

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  #1711137 28-Jan-2017 19:10
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 Canterbury has lots more areas where the population consists of sparsely-populated farms, quite a distance from each other.


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  #1711161 28-Jan-2017 19:27
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The cost to the taxpayer is a very interesting topic too

 

 

 

 

  • Chorus: ~168,240 premises, covering 169 towns/areas nationwide, with a CFH funding commitment of ~$291.3m advanced through a combination of dividend or interest free equity and debt securities (~84% of the UFB2 initiative);
  • UFF: ~22,790 premises across 12 towns/areas in the central North Island with no CFH funding commitment (~11% of the UFB2 initiative);
  • NP: ~9,049 premises covering 12 towns/areas for an interest free loan amount of $15.237m advanced in two tranches (~4.5% of the UFB2 initiative); and
  • ESL: ~482 premises covering fringe areas in Christchurch (Hornby South, Kainga, Kennedys Bush and Preston) with a CFH funding commitment of $509k (~0.2% of the UFB2 initiative).

 

breaking that down

 

Chorus $1731 per premises
NP $1683 per premises
ESL $1056 per premises
UFF $0 per premises

 

and the numbers speak for themselves.....





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  #1726696 26-Feb-2017 22:41
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Does anyone know if Chorus has updated its rollout map now that ufb2 schedule has been announced? I also wonder about the other companies like UFF etc about their roll out maps .

 

Also is it true that all medical centres in New Zealand should have been connected by now with fibre as they have done with the schools. Was it part of the UFB 1 contract?


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  #1726698 26-Feb-2017 22:50
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davsri:

 

Also is it true that all medical centres in New Zealand should have been connected by now with fibre as they have done with the schools. Was it part of the UFB 1 contract?

 

 

Should be all done, you can read the progress reports for details.


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  #1726772 27-Feb-2017 07:24
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Chorus internal maps have been done, I assume the public one can't be far away.

 

It is pretty much the same shape as what is on the CFH map currently


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