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  #1516398 20-Mar-2016 13:20
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Sideface:

 

Lorenceo:

 

IMO it'd be a good idea for the Comcom to allow Chorus to charge more for copper service in areas where there's no UFB. But at the same time, also have to reduce it in areas where there is no UFB. Would help drive UFB uptake I imagine.

 

 

If you want to encourage UFB uptake, do the opposite - make copper MORE expensive than UFB in UFB areas, with a lower rate for copper users without a UFB option.

 

 

Oops. Pretty bad typo there. Curse you extra "no". You still got what I meant though. :x


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  #1516790 21-Mar-2016 11:44
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Lorenceo:

 

Oops. Pretty bad typo there. Curse you extra "no". You still got what I meant though. :x

 

 

If you really wanted to be fair, you'd have to apply the discount to those people who live in UFB areas but can't get UFB because landlords/neighbours won't consent to the install. I'm stuck on DSL too, even though UFB went hot in the street six months ago! Don't lump more misery upon me...


 
 
 
 


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  #1516834 21-Mar-2016 12:13
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allio:

 

If you really wanted to be fair, you'd have to apply the discount to those people who live in UFB areas but can't get UFB because landlords/neighbours won't consent to the install. I'm stuck on DSL too, even though UFB went hot in the street six months ago! Don't lump more misery upon me...

 

That sounds particually unfair. If a street has UFB then how is it the telcos problem that people choose to not get it?

 

The consent issue will be sorted before long, landlords is something that is not the telcos problem. I suspect when a phone costs over $100 a month that it will make places that refuse it harder to rent so they will sort it out.





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  #1516837 21-Mar-2016 12:18
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allio:

 

Lorenceo:

 

Oops. Pretty bad typo there. Curse you extra "no". You still got what I meant though. :x

 

 

If you really wanted to be fair, you'd have to apply the discount to those people who live in UFB areas but can't get UFB because landlords/neighbours won't consent to the install. I'm stuck on DSL too, even though UFB went hot in the street six months ago! Don't lump more misery upon me...

 

 

If your neighbours have to pay an extra say $30/month for their copper, would this help change their mind re UFB consent?


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  #1516941 21-Mar-2016 14:20
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You make good points, actually. Though the hold-out neighbours are all absent landlords, so they don't have a direct interest. Still, I guess once their decision to block the fibre install starts resulting in them being able to charge less rent, they may change their minds. Bring on the ADSL price hikes!


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  #1516948 21-Mar-2016 14:28
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In terms of availability of cable, is the OP on a rear section (or have something else that makes an install difficult)?

 

My mum had a similar issue - long driveway and for a while the answer was just "no, we can't install there". This changed a little while ago to "yeah, we can install there but it will cost you $[lots]". (Then she got totally lucky with the fibre roll out address lottery so it all became moot).


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  #1516949 21-Mar-2016 14:29
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A $400 or so copper re-activation fee would also help push people to fiber.





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  #1517008 21-Mar-2016 15:49
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richms:

 

A $400 or so copper re-activation fee would also help push people to fiber.

 

 

 

 

That's social engineering.


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  #1517011 21-Mar-2016 15:57
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richms:

 

A $400 or so copper re-activation fee would also help push people to fiber.

 

 

 

 

and again, what about the poor buggers (like me) who cant get fibre no matter what?

 

I have either RBI extortionate-pricing or a $2600 to connect to COPPER extortionate setup cost or 60Gb/$55 Skinny broadband 'small 'cap' and would happily pay the $2600 for fibre (gotta be about the same install cost 'from scratch' right?) but dont even have an option to do so (untill AT LEAST 2020 when the rest of the countries UFB lotto winners are done)


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  #1517284 21-Mar-2016 23:06
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If you amortize the $2600 over 10 years, it becomes about $21 a month.

 

Is RBI more than $21 a month above a DSL connection?





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  #1517288 21-Mar-2016 23:22
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Lol, amortise over ten years when everyone here is talking about copper being DEactivated in the next 5. Why pay for them to extend the copper network and then see that rug pulled out from under me, all the while paying the 'copper tax' being touted right in this thread?

I think skinny/Lightwire/Ultimate Broadband etc. have it right, make the last mile wireless, and tell chorus/landlords et al. to get stuffed!



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  #1517437 22-Mar-2016 11:07
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mdf:

 

In terms of availability of cable, is the OP on a rear section (or have something else that makes an install difficult)?

 

My mum had a similar issue - long driveway and for a while the answer was just "no, we can't install there". This changed a little while ago to "yeah, we can install there but it will cost you $[lots]". (Then she got totally lucky with the fibre roll out address lottery so it all became moot).

 

Nope, roadside property. House is only 3m or so from the front boundary, too. Dunno what the story is really. 




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  #1517501 22-Mar-2016 11:51
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Update on my cable details:
I called Vodafone about it and navigated my way through the menus to speak directly to a cable/UFB technician. Apparently it's definitely in my street (a house 4 doors down has a current connection) but my house has never had any connection made. He called the process a 'cable drop' which made me scratch my head as my street doesn't have overhead lines to drop from. It turns out my street is extremely odd because almost all of the cable network is through overhead lines, not underground.

 

Downer need to be employed to come to the house and investigate 'dropping' the connection up from the underground line. If they say it's possible, then they'll do it. If they say it's not possible, they won't, and we definitively can't get cable internet. 

 

I still think DSL connections are pricey but agree that there are forces at play that mean it's just what it is, and not necessarily a reflection on the telco's being money grubbing wh0res. Well, no more so than usual...


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  #1517523 22-Mar-2016 12:17
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Disrespective:

 

Update on my cable details:
I called Vodafone about it and navigated my way through the menus to speak directly to a cable/UFB technician. Apparently it's definitely in my street (a house 4 doors down has a current connection) but my house has never had any connection made. He called the process a 'cable drop' which made me scratch my head as my street doesn't have overhead lines to drop from. It turns out my street is extremely odd because almost all of the cable network is through overhead lines, not underground.

 

Downer need to be employed to come to the house and investigate 'dropping' the connection up from the underground line. If they say it's possible, then they'll do it. If they say it's not possible, they won't, and we definitively can't get cable internet. 

 

I still think DSL connections are pricey but agree that there are forces at play that mean it's just what it is, and not necessarily a reflection on the telco's being money grubbing wh0res. Well, no more so than usual...

 

 

Sounds like a pretty standard cable install scenario. There is nothing unique about it.

 

 


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  #1517529 22-Mar-2016 12:23
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I wonder what it will be like circa 2019 - 2020 when the UFB rollout is basically complete, but there are people who can't get UFB because of others on shared driveways or they live in MDUs.

 

If something isn't sorted, some customers may end up with no DSL once the copper network is decommissioned and no UFB either!


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