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Topic # 196501 2-Jun-2016 12:08
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Is the correct burial depth for standard Chorus installed UFB when installed across the garden i.e. under grass and in earth still a minimum of 200 mm? If it is, am I right that if the cable seems to be only about 100mm to the level of the grass/top of the earth this most probably doesn't meet the minimum standards?

 

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  Reply # 1564198 2-Jun-2016 12:57
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correct min shallow trench depth inside boundary is 200mm - if yours isnt then complain to your isp or the 0800 dispatch number given to you around the time of your install


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  Reply # 1564200 2-Jun-2016 13:01
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What if it is tacked to the fence? That is what our guys did. They didn't explain they were going to tack it to the fence when showing me where it it would go, I just assumed it would be dug in. It is not an eyesore or anything, I just think that reliability issues would dictate that the conduit should be well protected.

 

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  Reply # 1564215 2-Jun-2016 13:11
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What if it is tacked to the fence? That is what our guys did. They didn't explain they were going to tack it to the fence when showing me where it it would go, I just assumed it would be dug in. It is not an eyesore or anything, I just think that reliability issues would dictate that the conduit should be well protected.

 

 

Fairly sure that's considered perfectly fine. Fortunately I had no suitable fence they could use. I was slightly worried they would use one of the external walls (not as bad but still seems more risky and annoying to me) but it didn't save that much digging.

 

 

 

Edit: For clarification I mean tacking in to the fence. I think they're supposed to actually tell you what they're going to do, as part of the scoping/agreement phase so I'm not sure if that aspect was correct. In my case they asked me where I was going to put the ONT and if there was access under the house, and said they were going to dig but didn't really ask or explain that well exactly where or what. I was hoping to get them to put the pipe for the ONT under the house rather than on the external side put seems this isn't possible. When I brought this up with them, they did ask me a bit better where I wanted the ETP. After they're were done they got me to sign.


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  Reply # 1564299 2-Jun-2016 14:25
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They really need to outlaw the whole tacking on the fence thing. It looks terrible, it will be a real issue whenever you replace the fence, and it's only done to save money. 

 

Should be aerial runs or trenching, and aerial should only be used where it's replacing an existing aerial run. Trenching should be the default option, and if that means Chorus makes less money then boo bloody hoo. They are already laughing all the way to the bank after the government screwed everyone over with the copper tax.





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  Reply # 1564322 2-Jun-2016 15:00
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Ours is only 80mm below the surface. Neighbour is the same. Same contractor installed both a month or so apart. Hopeless.




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  Reply # 1564324 2-Jun-2016 15:05
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correct min shallow trench depth inside boundary is 200mm - if yours isnt then complain to your isp or the 0800 dispatch number given to you around the time of your install

 

 

 

 

Thanks. I've emailed my ISP along with some photos. Four of them for reference are below. BTW, I dug very carefully mostly using my hands with the occasional use of hand trowel, so I'm fairly sure I didn't damage the microducting. Perhaps it moved slightly due to the digging but it seems unlikely it would have moved 40-100mm. Maybe I should have made more of a fuss earlier today when the installers were here but it's difficult to be certain how deep the cable is going. They seemed to be trenching about one spade length which I guess may have been enough if the microducting actually went all the way to the bottom but I'm guessing it didn't and won't normally.

 

 

 

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Stu: Ours is only 80mm below the surface. Neighbour is the same. Same contractor installed both a month or so apart. Hopeless.

 

Mine is possibly slightly better or maybe I'm being too generous. One part was perhaps 160mm if I'm generous. The other two 100-120mm. Was considering just leaving it be and making sure Chorus fix it at their cost if it's ever damaged because it wasn't properly installed. But decided it would be more annoying to be without internet until it it's fixed once I'm relying on fibre. It probably means I'm going to get the same installer back who I guess will be annoyed but oh well.... While I'm not certain, it looked to me a lot like the next door neigbour was probably just as poor and actually yes I think it was the same installer. Another neigbour a few doors down had it along the concrete base for a metal fence which I guess is a little better than along a wooden fence, that was a different installer. (It would have had to go across the garden at some stage I think, not sure what happened there.)


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  Reply # 1564341 2-Jun-2016 15:38
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Lias:

 

They really need to outlaw the whole tacking on the fence thing. It looks terrible, it will be a real issue whenever you replace the fence, and it's only done to save money. 

 

Should be aerial runs or trenching, and aerial should only be used where it's replacing an existing aerial run. Trenching should be the default option, and if that means Chorus makes less money then boo bloody hoo. They are already laughing all the way to the bank after the government screwed everyone over with the copper tax.

 

 

Why should Chorus be penalised when the other LFC's aren't because they've chosen to deploy UFB networks that are typically all overhead? The vast majority of the Chorus UFB network is underground, even in areas where leadin's are typically overhead (most of Wellington is a classic example of this). Deploying everything overhead is the reason areas such as Whangarei were deployed so quickly, and at a much cheaper price than having to trench everything like Chorus are doing.

 

 


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Lias:

 

They really need to outlaw the whole tacking on the fence thing. It looks terrible, it will be a real issue whenever you replace the fence, and it's only done to save money. 

 

Should be aerial runs or trenching, and aerial should only be used where it's replacing an existing aerial run. Trenching should be the default option, and if that means Chorus makes less money then boo bloody hoo. They are already laughing all the way to the bank after the government screwed everyone over with the copper tax.

 

 

Why should Chorus be penalised when the other LFC's aren't because they've chosen to deploy UFB networks that are typically all overhead? The vast majority of the Chorus UFB network is underground, even in areas where leadin's are typically overhead (most of Wellington is a classic example of this). Deploying everything overhead is the reason areas such as Whangarei were deployed so quickly, and at a much cheaper price than having to trench everything like Chorus are doing.

 

 

 

I actually think it should all be under-grounded, but I can grudgingly accept a current aerial drop being replaced by a new aerial drop. That aside I find it very hard to have much sympathy for Chorus. Not only did they take onboard most of the institutional evil from Telecom (Spark are actually pretty non evil these days), they are a for profit company being granted a monopoly by the government which I am never going to like. ALL the LFC's should have been created as not for profits/all profits to the community ala the various lines trusts (as should ANY organisation being granted any sort of government monopoly)





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  Reply # 1565490 4-Jun-2016 08:46
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They really need to outlaw the whole tacking on the fence thing. It looks terrible, it will be a real issue whenever you replace the fence, and it's only done to save money. 


Should be aerial runs or trenching, and aerial should only be used where it's replacing an existing aerial run. Trenching should be the default option, and if that means Chorus makes less money then boo bloody hoo. They are already laughing all the way to the bank after the government screwed everyone over with the copper tax.



Why should Chorus be penalised when the other LFC's aren't because they've chosen to deploy UFB networks that are typically all overhead? The vast majority of the Chorus UFB network is underground, even in areas where leadin's are typically overhead (most of Wellington is a classic example of this). Deploying everything overhead is the reason areas such as Whangarei were deployed so quickly, and at a much cheaper price than having to trench everything like Chorus are doing.


 



As far as I have seen, Enable installations have all been underground

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  Reply # 1565491 4-Jun-2016 08:49
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Lias:

sbiddle:


Lias:


They really need to outlaw the whole tacking on the fence thing. It looks terrible, it will be a real issue whenever you replace the fence, and it's only done to save money. 


Should be aerial runs or trenching, and aerial should only be used where it's replacing an existing aerial run. Trenching should be the default option, and if that means Chorus makes less money then boo bloody hoo. They are already laughing all the way to the bank after the government screwed everyone over with the copper tax.



Why should Chorus be penalised when the other LFC's aren't because they've chosen to deploy UFB networks that are typically all overhead? The vast majority of the Chorus UFB network is underground, even in areas where leadin's are typically overhead (most of Wellington is a classic example of this). Deploying everything overhead is the reason areas such as Whangarei were deployed so quickly, and at a much cheaper price than having to trench everything like Chorus are doing.


 


I actually think it should all be under-grounded, but I can grudgingly accept a current aerial drop being replaced by a new aerial drop. That aside I find it very hard to have much sympathy for Chorus. Not only did they take onboard most of the institutional evil from Telecom (Spark are actually pretty non evil these days), they are a for profit company being granted a monopoly by the government which I am never going to like. ALL the LFC's should have been created as not for profits/all profits to the community ala the various lines trusts (as should ANY organisation being granted any sort of government monopoly)



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That's what I like about Enable being owned by the Chch city council, when it becomes profitable, the money will go to good use.

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  Reply # 1565492 4-Jun-2016 08:49
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200 mm? As if! It'll get dug to whatever depth the individual feels like digging on a particular day.




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  Reply # 1565589 4-Jun-2016 11:38
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Still waiting to hear back from my ISP. Hopefully I haven't made things worse by agreeing to allow the internal install. Was supposed to be the 10th but got a call today asking if they could come.




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  Reply # 1565749 4-Jun-2016 17:58
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Nothing happened today and didn't get another call. I'm wondering if I heard wrong and the person actually said Tuesday whick makes more sense. Was a bit surprised when I got a call and confused initially although I believe I did say "today?" but maybe this was heard wrong in reverse.


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  Reply # 1565769 4-Jun-2016 19:11
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sbiddle:

Lias:


They really need to outlaw the whole tacking on the fence thing. It looks terrible, it will be a real issue whenever you replace the fence, and it's only done to save money. 


Should be aerial runs or trenching, and aerial should only be used where it's replacing an existing aerial run. Trenching should be the default option, and if that means Chorus makes less money then boo bloody hoo. They are already laughing all the way to the bank after the government screwed everyone over with the copper tax.



Why should Chorus be penalised when the other LFC's aren't because they've chosen to deploy UFB networks that are typically all overhead? The vast majority of the Chorus UFB network is underground, even in areas where leadin's are typically overhead (most of Wellington is a classic example of this). Deploying everything overhead is the reason areas such as Whangarei were deployed so quickly, and at a much cheaper price than having to trench everything like Chorus are doing.


 



As far as I have seen, Enable installations have all been underground


My Enable ones along fence, there's even exposed cable on street side, plastic pipe doesn't cover half cable on street side.

I'm just leaving it for now but if anything happens they can pay the repair costs, it should've been done with more protection on cable as far as I'm concerned.

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