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ech3lon
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  #1569898 11-Jun-2016 10:15
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Just like the others have said, the fastest speed you'll get is the slowest link on the chain, in this case is probably your wireless access point.


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  #1569907 11-Jun-2016 10:59
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I presume you mean Network as in the folk in the local area.  Someone did say that that can be a downside of living in an affluent area.  And would certainly explain why Fri and Sat nights are so bad.

 

 

 

Having said that it might be time to upgrade the WAP.  If I am only using it as a WAP do I need a router per se or can I get a lesser piece of equipment to fulfil this function?

 

 

 

If I do need a new router or whatever, does it need to be VDSL compatible or doesnt it matter?

 

 

 

Where can I buy the cheapest but most effective equipment to fulfil this function?  I have heard there are basic but adequate routers available cheaply (new ones) on Trade Me?

 

 

 

I also note that its set up on Channel? 9 so I am going to change that to 11 and see if that helps.  I will try and get some kind of micro/ mini adapter to see  if I can plug my PC into the Ethernet.

 

 

 

However, none of the above explains clearly why my PC in particular, has sunk to amazing lows on download speed since turning over to VDSL.  When I tested the different devices last night, it was one after another so torrenting on the Network should have been more obvious even between devices. 

 

 

 

I still  wonder if anyone knows whether the UnoTelly software on that PC is responsible for the difference?   Also why has the latency dropped?  Does this imply that the VDSL servers?? are further away than the ADSL ones?

 

 

 

Thanks


 
 
 
 


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  #1569935 11-Jun-2016 12:24
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i really do think you are a little out of your depth here

 

please post a pictues/drawing of your network and name the devices in it.

 

there is ZERO wrong with your VDSL connection, and you should see speedtest in the range of 58Mbps down and 10Mbps up. its your internal network thats creating your issues

 

you more than likely dont need to buy anything new for your setup, you just need to work out what is wrong first as adding new devices, you will probably end up with the same result.

 

change your DNS servers on your router and devices back to your isp supplied ones then test again

 

Test via a wired connected directly into the VDSL modem.

 

 

 

you need to approact this in a systematic way, as your replies seem to be all over the place with what you are doing


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  #1569950 11-Jun-2016 13:16
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How is this thread still progressing... I will say it again...

 

Seriously though, that Huawei should be fine to do 50Mbps over WiFi. That 'aged dlink' is your issue. It probably only has 802.11b/g and also dlink suck. Invest in a decent wireless access point and you will have a fun time.

 

Now to answer some questions...

 

Where can I buy the cheapest but most effective equipment to fulfil this function?  I have heard there are basic but adequate routers available cheaply (new ones) on Trade Me?

 

The Xclaim AP's seem to be popular on here at the moment. They are built by Ruckus so you know they are going to be good. Otherwise I would say the new Unifi AC Pro. I used to just always say Unifi to everyone, but in reality they can be a little tricky for a basic home user. 

 

I also note that its set up on Channel? 9 so I am going to change that to 11 and see if that helps.  I will try and get some kind of micro/ mini adapter to see  if I can plug my PC into the Ethernet.

 

Channel 9 is an overlapping channel and will be subject to more interference. Download a wifi scanner on to your phone and see what other AP's in your area are broadcasting on. You want to pick the least congested channel out 1,6 or 11. 13 is also available in NZ but some devices can be hit and miss with support due to having US chipsets.

 

However, none of the above explains clearly why my PC in particular, has sunk to amazing lows on download speed since turning over to VDSL.  When I tested the different devices last night, it was one after another so torrenting on the Network should have been more obvious even between devices.

 

This is just how wireless is. It is susceptible to all sorts of RF interfence. Coverage can change all the time depending on whats going on in your particular area.

 

I still  wonder if anyone knows whether the UnoTelly software on that PC is responsible for the difference?   Also why has the latency dropped?  Does this imply that the VDSL servers?? are further away than the ADSL ones?

 

Having your DNS servers set to UnoTelly could be an issue as different hosts will resolve to different places depending on how Unotelly is messing with them.

 

And I'm not sure, but are you complaining about the latency dropping? The latency has dropped because you have changed from an ATM based circuit to a PTM based circuit. To put it extremely simply PTM is just better. Less overheads, less packetization, less latency.

 

 

 

Now please, do as Jase says and give a detailed overview of how the network is set up exactly - get technical about it and use Paint even! From there we can give a recommendation on how to improve your network so you see more consistent results.


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  #1569979 11-Jun-2016 13:32
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OK so the box is diabolically congested (I can post photos) but this is what seems to be happening

 

 

 

 

So latency of 22 is better than 10??  Thanks


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  #1569982 11-Jun-2016 13:41
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Also turns out the study has 2 Ethernet points, one for a printer  but we don't use it, just use wifi.

 

 

 

So those routers you mentioned are they VDSL or ADSL?  Does it matter when using them as a WAP?  Just in case I cant get those ones.


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  #1569986 11-Jun-2016 14:00
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Fantastic! Now I understand. And no, latency of 22 is not better than 10 - i would put this down to the wifi.

 

Right to first off, can you go and remove the dlink, and plug a pc in to that port with an ethernet cable. Making sure no one else is on the network doing anything data intesive, run a speedtest. You should get pretty close to your sync rate (within 1-2Mbps). Was the test succesful? If yes, go to step 4, if no, go to the next step.

 

2) Ok, so now take that PC and plug it directly in to that switch. Test again, did you get a speed close to your sync rate? Yes, go to step 4. no? go to the next step.

 

3) Plug the PC directly in to the VDSL modem/router. test again, did you get a speed close to your sync rate? Yes?.. Something is wrong with your switch then as you have now proved the router is doing its thing. Replace the switch and repeat step 2. No?.... hmmm well that's a problem. It would perhaps indicate an issue with the router and it should be more than capable of handling your connection, considering your sync rates.

 

4) Excellent! I go back to my original comment. GET RID OF THE D-LINK. Those bits of kit I mentioned are purely wireless access points, they are not routers nor are their modems. They simply connect to an ethernet network and then broadcast a wireless signal. 


 
 
 
 


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  #1569996 11-Jun-2016 14:30
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Ok so don't shoot me, but I have just figured it out.  I was reading the Huawei set up book because no primary and secondary dns addresses are coming up on the router.  So I was wondering do I need to set it up further.  Starting on Page 1, I got through the set up where it said now plug your pc via Ethernet and check the modem is connected/ set up for wifi etc.

 

Then the penny dropped.  The guy used my PC to set up the connection so I go into wifi and lo and behold discover that the WAP is no longer connected so in actual fact my PC has been super efficient and maintaining a connection to wifi 25 - 30 metres away!!!  Anyway changed back to WAP and now we have 47mbps download speed.

 

I'll also look at the bandwidth So before I go can I just check a couple of things.

 

Is higher latency numbers good or bad?  Presumably I do need to set up the router further? 

 

 

 

 


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  #1570002 11-Jun-2016 14:47
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latency is the time taken to get to the target host/PC so the faster it gets there the better. ie the lower the better.

 

 but thats was answered in the previous post


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  #1570008 11-Jun-2016 14:59
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\ragequit


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  #1570014 11-Jun-2016 15:15
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SparkyP:

 

[snip]Is higher latency numbers good or bad? 

 

This has been answered several times in this thread by different posters already.

 

Latency is time delay. The higher the latency, the longer things take. Lower is better.

 

 


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  #1570015 11-Jun-2016 15:17
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Aaah but where would you be without us genuinely stupid people.   Realistic training for the real world LOL!


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  #1570020 11-Jun-2016 15:25
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It sounds like with your PC now connected to the closer AP, your problem is solved. The only thing you may want to do is to make sure that each AP (the WAP and your new router) are on non overlapping channels. WiFi channels 1-11 each overlap several channels to each side, meaning you can get some interference from other nearby APs.

 

Channels 1, 6, 11 are far enough from each other so they don't overlap at all, so setting one of your APs to 6, and the other to 11 ensures they don't interfere with each other.

 

 

 

EDIT: More technical detail here if you are interested - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels


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  #1570022 11-Jun-2016 15:31
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One is on 1 at the moment?? and the other 9 but its worth knowing they shouldn't overlap.  I'll bear that in mind when I check themon the wifi thingy download.


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  #1570031 11-Jun-2016 15:53
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Assuming your local network is working properly (which it now sounds like it is) there is nothing you can do about the latency of your WAN connection. Latency on VDSL is complicated and you might find it changes from where it is now over the next week or two as your connection goes through the training process (basically an automated process where the connection is tuned more and more aggressively until stability suffers). Basically don't worry about it - just make sure your modem doesn't get turned off or rebooted unless absolutely necessary, as this will interfere with the training.


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