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  Reply # 1607017 9-Aug-2016 15:11
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Maybe as a StuffFibre customer I will see the real headlines instead of the clickbait.

 

 





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  Reply # 1607031 9-Aug-2016 15:30
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Just had a 15 minute on the phone with Simon Tong, CEO Stuff Fibre. Notes I jotted down:

 

  • No launch date yet as it is currently undergoing test but really close - wouldn't have announced if not close
  • No bundled content if Stuff ever put up a paywall - net neutrality
  • Fairfax considered options to grow declining revenues in face of advertising competition from Google and Facebook. People are willing to buy from Stuff and electronics were the type of products people more likely to buy (example included Samsung sales from time to time and Facebook group sales)
  • Initial offering will be 100Mbps, unlimited, no contract

 





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  Reply # 1607158 9-Aug-2016 18:11
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meesham:

 

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deadlyllama:

 

Wonder what their differentiation from the other players in this already rather crowded market will be?  

 

 

Clickbait and celebrity news at gigabit speed.

 

 

Don't forget the toxic comments section

 

 

I note that the comments section of this particular story on their website was closed less than  two hours after publication. They obviously think that if you don't have anything nice to say.......





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  Reply # 1607210 9-Aug-2016 19:29
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So nothing of substance about their point of difference......





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  Reply # 1607216 9-Aug-2016 19:36
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Why would they even bother? What are they going to offer that, say, Bigpipe does differently?


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  Reply # 1607219 9-Aug-2016 19:45
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Can anyone give an overview of the infrastructure required to set up an ISP providing fibre only to all NZ? And what kind of $ investment are we talking?




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  Reply # 1607220 9-Aug-2016 19:45
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quickymart:

 

Why would they even bother? What are they going to offer that, say, Bigpipe does differently?

 

 

My Republic soon realised it's not possible to just be a fibre ISP. Maybe things could be slightly different a year on with more premises passed, but to actually exclude a large % of potential customers when you're going to be struggling incredibly hard to even them in a market with razor thin margins isn't smart.

 

I wonder how much Fairfax are prepared to lose in this venture? There would certainly be no hope of being revenue positive anytime soon.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1607228 9-Aug-2016 19:57
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 Right. I wonder what Fairfax think their point of difference is going to be.


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  Reply # 1607243 9-Aug-2016 20:30
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mcraenz: Can anyone give an overview of the infrastructure required to set up an ISP providing fibre only to all NZ? And what kind of $ investment are we talking?

 

Realistically you could probably start an ISP providing nationwide services for a few hundred thousand. Monthly costs to LFC's and Chorus and backhaul provider could be anywhere from maybe $50 - $150k per month depending on what sort of connectivity you opt for. You then need domestic transit, peering and international backhaul which once again could be maybe $20k per month for a startup and starts going up quickly as you get bigger. All this would be based on not deploying POP's at every point of interconnect. Do that and things go up a lot more.

 

At the end of the day it's not the startup costs, it's the simple fact margins are no slim. As a start-up you simply can't achieve the efficiencies somebody like Vocus can when they have multiple brands (Orcon, Slingshot, Flip etc) so costs such as backhaul to the 29 odd handover areas can be shared. When you're maybe making $10 - $20 per customer and have to support all operational costs, staff costs, marketing costs, hardware costs and support you realise why this is such a cut throat industry.

 

Another fibre provider who says they provision more bandwidth than anybody else currently has Truenet results that are down right embarrassing, multiple threads on here complaining about poor speeds, and one can really only presume is in a situation where increasing backhaul simply doesn't stack up with their customer numbers.

 

I'd say somebody with $$ to burn would have far more luck trying to start an auction site to compete with Trademe than they would launching a nationwide residential ISP. It's just an incredibly dumb thing to do.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1607246 9-Aug-2016 20:34
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They mentioned that they have some filter thingie, which slingshot announced their one a few days back. Hmmm, wonder if this whole stufffiber thing pre-empted that announcement to come out a little earlier perhaps?





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They still don't understand that the transit is expensive, Spark and Vodafone already have their own physical networks throughout the country and have built them over many years or acquired them by buying other companies. I can see that they may be able to offer it in the main centers but building pops or paying big money for tail extensions is expensive. I have not even started on staff, support costs, marketing, the cost of ufb tails and of course transit. I don't think fair fax will have a hard time marketing but even vocus has recently bought up a whole heap of infrastructure and these companies Know telco. Then do they have to offer phone services too because it goes hand in hand?

I hope they don't end up with oversubscribed circuits and people in call centers in the Philippines. I think these guys should really focus on new innovative ways to deliver quality content. Wether it be via eloquent applications, targeted marketing or new types of media.





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  Reply # 1607263 9-Aug-2016 20:57
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On the upside I am sure that @sbiddle will definitly be a subscriber. Probably in each region to make sure he gets full coverage. That's at least a few customers right.






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@darylblake sounds like you were talking about My Republic there (or what is happening to them). Now that I've had a look at this proposed ISP (outside of the screen on my phone) I just don't understand why. Like, don't we have enough providers already?

 

From what I can see happening Stuff will start "reporting" on their ISP:

 

- Internet Provider "Stuff Fibre" boasts the fastest internet speed in the country according to independent tester TrueNet.
- If you're not on Fibre then you're not on the internet... Here is how to make the most out of your connection!
- Get faster WiFi now with a free Gigabit router!
- Customers complain about xx's call centre however independent tester Bla has named Stuff Fibre's call centre the best in their tests!

 

I can also see an opportunity to buy some punny ad space on Stuffs website:

 

Getting stuffed around with your Fibre install? We have ADSL and VDSL too!





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  Reply # 1607370 10-Aug-2016 07:24
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darylblake: They still don't understand that the transit is expensive, Spark and Vodafone already have their own physical networks throughout the country and have built them over many years or acquired them by buying other companies. I can see that they may be able to offer it in the main centers but building pops or paying big money for tail extensions is expensive. I have not even started on staff, support costs, marketing, the cost of ufb tails and of course transit. I don't think fair fax will have a hard time marketing but even vocus has recently bought up a whole heap of infrastructure and these companies Know telco. Then do they have to offer phone services too because it goes hand in hand?

I hope they don't end up with oversubscribed circuits and people in call centers in the Philippines. I think these guys should really focus on new innovative ways to deliver quality content. Wether it be via eloquent applications, targeted marketing or new types of media.

 

They say it will be a local call centre. 

 

They will have parental control filtering, that must be new, never heard of that before.....

 

Irregardless of the brand awareness, I like Panasonic, but I'd never buy a Panasonic car. I'd never buy a Honda TV. I feel that will trip up their venture 


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