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  Reply # 1607381 10-Aug-2016 08:07
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Well look maybe I am being too judgemental. I might be pleasantly surprised. I wish them all the best.

 

There are some good network builders around. But if Fairfax are already in a market where they are struggling to make money, where people "expect their news for free" because thats what was has been happening on the internet for the last 20+ years. And both Fairfax and NZME are too fairful of putting up paywalls because they worry it will hurt their business. Then starting up an ISP is what @sbiddle said, crazy. 

 

@michaelmurfy I didn't mention any other providers, some are working out their problems and making improvements that I am aware of. But as a customer having to deal with overseas call centres who have no idea where towns etc are physically located is bad for starters. Now we will compound that with shipping everyone budget all-in-one routers that try and do VoIP, Routing, WIFI, Switching, perhaps some content filtering and maybe a DSL Modem (which may or may not get used depending on the connection type). Then people just call up expecting to be able to stream 1080p or 4K from a TV at the other end of the house because they have purchased 100Mbit+ fibre. Or maybe there are 6 people living in a large house, all with a smart phone, a couple of wireless TV's maybe and xbox and a couple of tablets & laptops. Then someone moans and calls their ISP because their internet runs bad. This is because the majority of the population don't understand the technology properly, and what is required for the network to perform well.

 

But I would be pretty disappointed if I had purchased a 100Mbit fibre connection and couldn't stream content at night because there is so much packet loss I only get 3Mbit, which is what I did see in one of the other threads, and the truenet nodes seem to reflect that is a problem for some people.

 

It will be marketed with all these wonderful pretty pictures of everything being amazing and running fast etc, but in reality if they dont have plans to deal with some of these items I have mentioned then it is a recipe for problems. Sure Vocus or Vodafone will probably buy it when they decide to throw the towel in.

 

And if you see an ISP selling unlimited data for ~$70 with a free install, they are bound to be losing money on that circuit or barely breaking even, surely they must only be after market share. Sparks prices are what they are because its feasible. The graphs I have seen over the last 18 months also show data usage per user doubling year on year (sometimes more than double). So the cost of delivering that needs to be factored into any equation as well.






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  Reply # 1607384 10-Aug-2016 08:16
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I'll stick with BigPipe





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  Reply # 1607386 10-Aug-2016 08:39
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freitasm:

Just had a 15 minute on the phone with Simon Tong, CEO Stuff Fibre. Notes I jotted down:



  • No launch date yet as it is currently undergoing test but really close - wouldn't have announced if not close

  • No bundled content if Stuff ever put up a paywall - net neutrality

  • Fairfax considered options to grow declining revenues in face of advertising competition from Google and Facebook. People are willing to buy from Stuff and electronics were the type of products people more likely to buy (example included Samsung sales from time to time and Facebook group sales)

  • Initial offering will be 100Mbps, unlimited, no contract


 



The stuff article says the MD is Sam morse. So do they have an MD and a CEO? Which is more senior?

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  Reply # 1607387 10-Aug-2016 08:41
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NonprayingMantis:
freitasm:

 

Just had a 15 minute on the phone with Simon Tong, CEO Stuff Fibre. Notes I jotted down:

 



 

    • No launch date yet as it is currently undergoing test but really close - wouldn't have announced if not close

 

 

    • No bundled content if Stuff ever put up a paywall - net neutrality

 

 

    • Fairfax considered options to grow declining revenues in face of advertising competition from Google and Facebook. People are willing to buy from Stuff and electronics were the type of products people more likely to buy (example included Samsung sales from time to time and Facebook group sales)

 

 

    • Initial offering will be 100Mbps, unlimited, no contract



 

 

 



The stuff article says the MD is Sam morse. So do they have an MD and a CEO? Which is more senior?

 

Looks like they're going to need quite a few connections just to cover the costs of the salaries for the management team!

 

 


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  Reply # 1608589 10-Aug-2016 13:52
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The recent report released by Amy Adams states there are 92 retail service providers offering UFB service. Need to update it to 93 soon.


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  Reply # 1608622 10-Aug-2016 14:40
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I'd happily join if the website were taking sign ups. Very much want UFB. :)


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  Reply # 1608643 10-Aug-2016 14:55
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There aren't actually many UFB providers who offer no contract unlimited connections. I can only think of Bigpipe and Unlimited Internet off the top of my head. So in one sense the market isn't that crowded...


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  Reply # 1608645 10-Aug-2016 14:57
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howdystranger:

 

There aren't actually many UFB providers who offer no contract unlimited connections. I can only think of Bigpipe and Unlimited Internet off the top of my head. So in one sense the market isn't that crowded...

 

 

From the recent thread about them, you can take unlimited internet off that list as they do not offer unlimited internet. Leaves really only bigpipe.

 

What other non contract options are there for UFB? I dont know of any off the top of my head.





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  Reply # 1608654 10-Aug-2016 15:03
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Mynxnet has no contract, but there is a setup fee (which is refunded after... a year?).


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  Reply # 1608766 10-Aug-2016 17:11
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Behodar:

 

Mynxnet has no contract, but there is a setup fee (which is refunded after... a year?).

 

 

LOL, a contract in another name!  Another version of interest free loans




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  Reply # 1610634 12-Aug-2016 12:20
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An interesting and slightly esoteric question. 

 

Can a point be reached where there is too much competition? 

 

Can margins be forced so low, no provider can afford to offer a quality service?

 

 





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  Reply # 1610637 12-Aug-2016 12:22
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I think that happens with bars and restaurants. Where I live there are so many of both, that some struggle to make a profit and eventually fold.


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  Reply # 1610654 12-Aug-2016 12:39
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MikeAqua:

 

An interesting and slightly esoteric question. 

 

Can a point be reached where there is too much competition? 

 

Can margins be forced so low, no provider can afford to offer a quality service?

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only way that can happen is if clients aren't willing to pay for quality





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  Reply # 1610662 12-Aug-2016 12:47
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TrueNet exists to ensure quality drives competition.  We are adding new tests to our list of tools and expect them to help drive competition harder.


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