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  Reply # 1638473 22-Sep-2016 05:49
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Thats where people get mixed up.  UFB is the communal network, and this was organised by the Government and subsidised.  Chorus won a certain percentage of this build, and as they wanted to own the network, they basically paid the Government back when end user connected to the network.

 

Some people I talked to actually had to pay for it (NGA - boundary to ONT, must have been first year) to be installed, but when there weren't enough people connecting the government added a fund which service providers could claim to paid for installs. This was when a gold plated network was being built, jobs were being completed on time and material basis, and CHorus taken for a ride by the service companies, but when the fund ran out, to keep the installs free, chorus amended its standard Installation standards and introduced coded work

 

Anyone has the right to say they don't want a standard installation and therefore access to the fibre.  They are have the right to have their own contractor to install a duct to the boundary or even a trench, and / or provide drawer wires for NGA installers to use.

 

 

 

I was talking to a telecommunication tech who was originally from England who said they don't get into ceiling spaces (Health and Safety) and Installs are basically from pole to house, straight down the outside of the house and straight thru to a jackpoint / modem.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1700067 7-Jan-2017 22:35
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WayDownSouth:

 

 

Yep no change to the Copper / General Fibre / Radio / RBI world

 

They are just pulling out as from next year from All Chorus UFB/NGA installs Nation Wide (No change at present to Faults BAU)

 

(as for now I just follow behind the install contractors (non Downer), in the Manawatu/Horowhenua Area, cleaning up any damage or anything they mis during the installs - keeps me employed)

 

 

They still have the UFB which is the building of the fibre network / communal build.  They are giving up the NGA which is from the communal build (boundary) to the house / ONT.

 

It not funny when Downers keeps telling their NGA staff that they are keeping the UFB Design / Build work because this is what they are good at, when in fact the design / build work is not designed / built for the end provisioner (NGA installer).  They have to work harder / longer / faster because of poor design (Design / build work is paid by codes per boundary so it is design / built to maximise profit in these two areas), all while they are paid the same codes as if the design / build was done with the provisioner / end user in mind.

 

 This has also resulted in lowering of the standards by Downers own staff,although most would meet the Chorus Standard.

 

I do pity the new contractors who will have to provision off this poorly design network, and yes we will blame that new contractor.

 

Ruggerdise / surface mount was introduced by Chorus so it could keep deployment costs down, and means the end user could enjoy a "Free Standard Installation"

 

Yes there are many staff / contractors out there that cut some corners to make a buck, but the majority will do a reasonable job which includes a surface mount option.

 

Yes there is are Chorus Installation Standards which Techs should know and should be measured against, and as I said the ruggerdise / surface mount options when done to these chorus standards form part of the "Free Standard Installation"

 

Try getting a new water main, power main, gas main from boundary to house and seeing how much you will have to contribute, and yet we expect a free fibre install?

 

 

Firstly I don't believe Downer pulled out of the build as opposed to Visionstream picked it up and Downer focussed their staff on more specialised work.

 

Secondly, Chorus didn't introduce this standard, it is a CFH Standard (as much as I personally don't agree with it). I walked from the Airport area to Chch CBD last year and noted that 1/3 or 1/4 of the Enable Fibre installs were tacked to the fence.


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  Reply # 1700084 7-Jan-2017 23:21

"... 1/3 or 1/4 of the Enable Fibre installs were tacked to the fence."

 

I have not seen a single Enable install tacked to a fence as you claim. All the installs in our street are underground, even the back sections.

 

Did you walk along Memorial Ave or Wairakei Road?


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  Reply # 1700119 8-Jan-2017 08:47
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k1w1k1d:

"... 1/3 or 1/4 of the Enable Fibre installs were tacked to the fence."


I have not seen a single Enable install tacked to a fence as you claim. All the installs in our street are underground, even the back sections.


Did you walk along Memorial Ave or Wairakei Road?


In Casebrook (Christchurch suburb), they've been tacked to the fence since installs were available in April 2016.

My place (less than 10m length from street to house):
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My brother's place a few Ks away has about a 60m length of cable tacked to the fence.

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  Reply # 1700129 8-Jan-2017 09:36
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I live in the same part of town and I have seen at least a dozen places with the leadin tacked to the fence. 

 

 

 

Its a shame really, world class infrastructure been ruined at the last mile. 

 

 

 

My colleague didn't really care about having the fibre attached to the fence as they are selling their place.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1700139 8-Jan-2017 10:02
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I thought tacking to fence is the standard?

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  Reply # 1700175 8-Jan-2017 12:00
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I fail to see why people see an issue with surface mount cable on a fence. The ruggedised outdoor cable is designed for scenarios like this.

 

Yes in some cases it may not look aesthetically pleasing and it some cases it is clearly done through shear laziness when it should not be the preferred option but at the end of the day it's a perfectly valid install process. I don't recall a single post on here ever complaining about Vodafone/TelstraClear/TelstraSaturn/Saturn installs using a fence in the 20 or so years they've used it as perfectly normal install.

 

 


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  Reply # 1700176 8-Jan-2017 12:04
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Speculation here but Downer has a reputation to protect. Perhaps they didn't want their name to be associated with the low quality installs necessary to keep the price point right. They may have tended a realistic price for quality installs and therefore been undercut by a company with less pride - ?


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  Reply # 1700190 8-Jan-2017 12:25
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sbiddle:

 

I fail to see why people see an issue with surface mount cable on a fence. The ruggedised outdoor cable is designed for scenarios like this.

 

Yes in some cases it may not look aesthetically pleasing and it some cases it is clearly done through shear laziness when it should not be the preferred option but at the end of the day it's a perfectly valid install process. I don't recall a single post on here ever complaining about Vodafone/TelstraClear/TelstraSaturn/Saturn installs using a fence in the 20 or so years they've used it as perfectly normal install.

 

 

 

 

because fences dont last forever


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  Reply # 1700208 8-Jan-2017 13:57
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Jase2985:

 

sbiddle:

 

I fail to see why people see an issue with surface mount cable on a fence. The ruggedised outdoor cable is designed for scenarios like this.

 

Yes in some cases it may not look aesthetically pleasing and it some cases it is clearly done through shear laziness when it should not be the preferred option but at the end of the day it's a perfectly valid install process. I don't recall a single post on here ever complaining about Vodafone/TelstraClear/TelstraSaturn/Saturn installs using a fence in the 20 or so years they've used it as perfectly normal install.

 

 

 

 

because fences dont last forever

 

 

especially in Wellington





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  Reply # 1700217 8-Jan-2017 14:29
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The Old story.

You get what you pay for, and you pay nothing for an install




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  Reply # 1700318 8-Jan-2017 21:00
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Yeah, which is why I did a lot of the donkey work myself for our install. Including digging a 500 mm deep trench, installing my own conduit and going right under a concrete path:

 

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  Reply # 1700320 8-Jan-2017 21:11
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DarthKermit:

 

Yeah, which is why I did a lot of the donkey work myself for our install. Including digging a 500 mm deep trench, installing my own conduit and going right under a concrete path:

 

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I contemplated doing this but when I did a pre dig my yard of Cedar forest was completely filled with Cedar roots. I thought of 2 issues - digging through the concrete-like jungle of roots, and what happens when the roots grow, will they destroy the conduit. So I just accepted the fence path.


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  Reply # 1700321 8-Jan-2017 21:17
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I see plenty of water pipes on driveways attached to fences etc. Why the hate for doing that with fiber so much?





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  Reply # 1700327 8-Jan-2017 21:44
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pab:
k1w1k1d:

 

"... 1/3 or 1/4 of the Enable Fibre installs were tacked to the fence."

 

 

 

I have not seen a single Enable install tacked to a fence as you claim. All the installs in our street are underground, even the back sections.

 

 

 

Did you walk along Memorial Ave or Wairakei Road?

 


In Casebrook (Christchurch suburb), they've been tacked to the fence since installs were available in April 2016.

My place (less than 10m length from street to house):
Click to see full size

My brother's place a few Ks away has about a 60m length of cable tacked to the fence.

 

I do like enable's tags that sit in front of where the 2+ ducts come up every second property.


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