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# 215518 30-Jun-2017 17:09
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Hi

 

 

 

have had a dozen or so business customers get UFB - this is the first time Chorus have come back asking for a 'Contribution'

 

They are asking for 5,100+gst to get UFB installed

 

That price is a little bit confusing since the Scope team said the job was quite simple - literally in their own words.

 

 

 

i also find it odd they are requesting these funds to the business owner via email  - no invoice included.

 

 

 

What sort of contribution $$ have others paid in the past?

 

 

 

Its for a business UFB connection located in Penrose, Auckland, UFB just came to the area last couple months. Ordered via 2degrees

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  # 1809721 30-Jun-2017 17:11
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Ask for a break down showing what their plan is and why they are expecting you to pay?


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  # 1809738 30-Jun-2017 17:39
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we did already im sure they will get around to answering in the next 1-6 weeks ;)


 
 
 
 


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  # 1809803 30-Jun-2017 18:23
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All of the facilities I manage we've had to pay contributions. 

 

We've dealt with UCG during the design stage and they have also just had an email with a number no break down etc.

 

When I first queried it it made total sense, they only get x a mount of contribution from the crown and then anything out of that requires you to kick in the rest.

 

for us, its always been the civil works that is very expensive and if they need to get in traffic control in to shutdown a lane on the road to go down into a pit or something.. it gets real expensive.. real quick... 

 

Also, I think its just a sales tactic saying its going to be easy to get you excited about getting your shiny new fibre.. as i've been told the same thing.. with them estimating no or very little contribution.. but our contributions have always been when I consider to be quite large.. the smallest being 30k and the largest to date being 50k 


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Wait so they want a contribution for something they will own, are already getting half of it paid for, and profit from for years to come?

Makes total sense!

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  # 1810004 1-Jul-2017 10:41
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Howabout a contribution of a few dozen beers to the lads?


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  # 1810019 1-Jul-2017 11:29
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dt:

 

the smallest being 30k and the largest to date being 50k 

 

 

well those are pretty big amounts compared to 5k for sure, but on the other side 5k is alot more than any other business UFB customer has had to pay that ive done,

 

 

 

in the end chorus have them over a barell since the VDSL in the street is useless and will just have to pay it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  # 1810041 1-Jul-2017 12:26
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Chorus asked for a few thousand for the fibre install at my church. They said they needed to cut the driveway and as a non residential location we only get 15 m of cutting for free.

We told them no. We were going to repave the driveway anyway and we put in a conduit as part of that. Got them to come back and installed the fibre with no more contribution required.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1810069 1-Jul-2017 13:56
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I can totally understand setting limits for a standard install. But those limits should purely be on the internal work. How can they expect people to want to take up fibre (especially residential) when they are down a long driveway and have to pay 10k to get something laid down.

 

And then to have the gall to charge an MDU where there will be a high number of connections (so the install cost per connection is probably a lot lower)!! Not to the businesses who are likely to be requesting the more expensive BS3/3a/4 tails anyway!!

 

Edit: And to ask a Church for a contribution... thats just bad karma or something.


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chevrolux: Wait so they want a contribution for something they will own, are already getting half of it paid for, and profit from for years to come?

Makes total sense!

 

The crown fibre page has a lot of useful information on the financing methods that each of their partners are allowed to use.

 

For us, we were told that some of the install was covered by the crown and that we didn't qualify for the full contribution even though we are a not for profit, that some of the install contributions had been offset by line rental revenue and that the rest we would have to kick in. 

 

Our sites are usually a 1-2 month install and they have roughly anywhere from 5-10 guys on site each day + the civil works and traffic control contractors.

 

Although I consider our contributions expensive.. When I see how big of an operation complex installs are they are definitely justifiable in my eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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dt:

 

chevrolux: Wait so they want a contribution for something they will own, are already getting half of it paid for, and profit from for years to come?

Makes total sense!

 

The crown fibre page has a lot of useful information on the financing methods that each of their partners are allowed to use.

 

For us, we were told that some of the install was covered by the crown and that we didn't qualify for the full contribution even though we are a not for profit, that some of the install contributions had been offset by line rental revenue and that the rest we would have to kick in. 

 

Our sites are usually a 1-2 month install and they have roughly anywhere from 5-10 guys on site each day + the civil works and traffic control contractors.

 

Although I consider our contributions expensive.. When I see how big of an operation complex installs are they are definitely justifiable in my eyes.

 

 

It is an absolutely massive project. So why wasn't it thought of by CFH in the first place?! After you pay your contribution to Chorus, your tenants/owners then pay Chorus again, on a monthly basis, to use the network that was just installed by then.

 

My biggest issue with it is Chorus are "paying" to own their part of the network. The Telecom monopoly is strong in this one.


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  # 1810426 2-Jul-2017 15:36
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This is pretty standard pricing.

 

I have had seen between $300 and $18,000. However Chorus paid half of the 18k.

 

There is a bit of a formula to it.

 

If there is no existing ducting they can use, then outside building they pay the first 15m and you pay the rest.

 

Inside building they pay $1000 per unit / tenancy.

 

If you were building something new Vector and Watercare charge you to get connected as well.

 

You can ask for a copy of the design.

 

Once you have agreement with someone to pay the fee ask the ISP/Chorus to email an invoice out. I think they post it by default.

 

More often than not the customer not landlord ends up paying it. Most landlords are happy to sign the consent but won't put up a dollar.
In the case of oen of the bigger install costs the landlord was going to pay it and amortise it back into the lease.

 

 


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