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  Reply # 1819879 11-Jul-2017 20:46
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There is no such thing as a digital signal, its all analog representations of digital signals. While technology will get better at being able to put more data onto a cable, and better at reconstructing the data from what gets to the other end, the light in glass will always be more efficient, lower latency and over time cost less than putting fiber to copper transcievers outside every house just to push signal a few 100m thru the existing cable.

 

 

Agreed. But fibre is not the perfect solution either. Light slows down inside a solid (glass), add to that it is constantly reflected along the cable (bouncing off the edges around every cable bend) until it reaches the other side. A better solution would be to remove the glass, and somehow insert a vacuum. These guys have done it.

 

In 15 years, fibre optic cables may just be a thing of the past, and we will have the chorus guys digging up all the streets again,

 

 


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  Reply # 1819880 11-Jul-2017 20:47
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Wiggum:

 

richms:

 

I want it just so I can post speed test screenshots to aussies ;)

 

 

You do realize that 10GBps will probably have 0 affect on latency compared to other fiber plans?

 

Sure you will be able to download more data faster, but chances are latency will not be improved at all. Light still travels the same speed through fibre on 100Mbps, 200Mbps, 1Gbps and 10Gbps plans.

 

I'm currently on a 200Mbps plan, and have the option of paying a little more for 1GBps, I just don't see the point as when I trialed it, latency was exactly the same.

 

 

 

 

You misunderstood him.

 

He wants speedtest results so he can use it to taunt the Aussies. They elected a government who scrapped their fibre rollout and they will probably be still on VDSL while we get 10gig.

 

 

 

 

While you're all taunting Aussies... I just thought I'd let you know, we DON'T GET VDSL here at all! :D

 

I actually looked at 250/100 and 500Gb is $170 a month, if you can get it.

 

I'm about to be paying $90 for 100/40 HFC unlimited. Slightly better than my $100 130/2 500Gb HFC that I have currently.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1819885 11-Jul-2017 20:53
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While you're all taunting Aussies... I just thought I'd let you know, we DON'T GET VDSL here at all! :D

 

I actually looked at 250/100 and 500Gb is $170 a month, if you can get it.

 

I'm about to be paying $90 for 100/40 HFC unlimited. Slightly better than my $100 130/2 500Gb HFC that I have currently.

 

 

Yes you do, its called the Malcolm Turnbull FTTN network there. That is exactly what they are using as the tech on it which is why people are finding the derelect ex telstra copper installed in leaking disintigrating asbestos pits is not even able to get them the headline speed that they mistakenly call broadband of 25 megabit down and undisclosed up.





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  Reply # 1819889 11-Jul-2017 20:57
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  Reply # 1819890 11-Jul-2017 20:58
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headline speed that they mistakenly call broadband of 25 megabit down and undisclosed up.

 

 

Nah, the basic plan is 12/1

 

 

 

And trust me, internet savvy people didn't vote for the a-holes.

 

 

 

richms:

 

Yes you do, its called the Malcolm Turnbull FTTN network there

 

 

 

 

(yeah, I know, but NBN!!one!!!)


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Wiggum:

 

hio77:

 

 

 

The idea that copper will get better is narrow thinking really..

 

Copper sure has a tone of R&D going into it to work past issues with what it can supply however, most of these all have the same things in-common - They ploy on the use of the higher frequencies which get lost over distance.

 

copper is an analogue signal in it's essence, you can only cram so many bits into that.

 

digital signals however, you can look at things like high density modulation.

 

While a copper signal can degrade and slowly fail, a digital signal will fail or work. there is no in-between which quite honestly massive proportions of the population are affected by - be it a marginal copper fault, low grade copper in the area, crosstalk or whatever..

 

 

Copper is getting better all the time. 10Gbps is quiet a considerable difference to the max speeds of adsl/vdsl 5 years ago.

 

VDSL is a digital signal over copper (Very-high-bit-rate digital subscriber line). No longer an analogue signal, its all very digital these days.

 

G.fast proves your theory is incorrect. (Already in use by Swisscom in Switzerland). And XG-fast has already been through some trials in Australia. If there is fibre to the curb, there is no need to have it to your door if there is copper. In another few years, there will be even newer technology. 

 

 

 

 

Your missing the point here..

 

 

Copper sure has a tone of R&D going into it to work past issues with what it can supply however, most of these all have the same things in-common - They ploy on the use of the higher frequencies which get lost over distance.

 

 

G.fast relies on 106Mhz, XG.FAST relies on 500MHz

 

 

 

in otherwords, it will only work for very short distances, your looking at all of 50 meters considering XG.FAST.





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hio77:

 

Wiggum:

 

hio77:

 

 

 

The idea that copper will get better is narrow thinking really..

 

Copper sure has a tone of R&D going into it to work past issues with what it can supply however, most of these all have the same things in-common - They ploy on the use of the higher frequencies which get lost over distance.

 

copper is an analogue signal in it's essence, you can only cram so many bits into that.

 

digital signals however, you can look at things like high density modulation.

 

While a copper signal can degrade and slowly fail, a digital signal will fail or work. there is no in-between which quite honestly massive proportions of the population are affected by - be it a marginal copper fault, low grade copper in the area, crosstalk or whatever..

 

 

Copper is getting better all the time. 10Gbps is quiet a considerable difference to the max speeds of adsl/vdsl 5 years ago.

 

VDSL is a digital signal over copper (Very-high-bit-rate digital subscriber line). No longer an analogue signal, its all very digital these days.

 

G.fast proves your theory is incorrect. (Already in use by Swisscom in Switzerland). And XG-fast has already been through some trials in Australia. If there is fibre to the curb, there is no need to have it to your door if there is copper. In another few years, there will be even newer technology. 

 

 

 

 

Your missing the point here..

 

 

Copper sure has a tone of R&D going into it to work past issues with what it can supply however, most of these all have the same things in-common - They ploy on the use of the higher frequencies which get lost over distance.

 

 

G.fast relies on 106Mhz, XG.FAST relies on 500MHz

 

 

 

in otherwords, it will only work for very short distances, your looking at all of 50 meters considering XG.FAST.

 

 

Which is why I said

 

Wiggum:

 

If there is fibre to the curb, there is no need to have it to your door if there is copper.

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1819902 11-Jul-2017 21:12
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Wiggum: And XG-fast has already been through some trials in Australia. If there is fibre to the curb, there is no need to have it to your door if there is copper.

 

 

 

 

Here's a fun NBN fact for you... there's not (really, in probably 90% of places) fibre to the curb here... It's like @richms said, basically VDSL.


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And i remember when people said 100mbps was overkill.


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And i remember when people said 100mbps was overkill.

 

 

It still is for many people I guess.

 

Obviously not for most of us here on geekzone, but for many households a 20MBps download link is very adequate.

 

 

I have wondered in the past what would happen if an ISP brought out a 20MBps down /10MBps up plan for say $30per month, and what sort of interruptions it would bring to the current broadband market. My guess it that there will be a very lot of people signing up. It will probably be too slow for our household, but I know of many households where such a plan will be more than sufficient.

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Wiggum:

 

It still is for many people I guess. Obviously not for most of us here on geekzone, but for many households a 20MBps download link is very adequate. I have wondered in the past what would happen if an ISP brought out a 20MBps down /10MBps up plan for say $30per month, and what sort of interruptions it would bring to the current broadband market. My guess it that there will be a very lot of people signing up. It will probably be too slow for our household, but I know of many households where such a plan will be more than sufficient.

 

I seem to recall a 30/10 plan.

 

P.S. Maybe do some reading in respect to digital modulation techniques, e.g., QAM etc.





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Linux: Total overkill and no use to 99.99% of consumers

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And i remember when people said 100mbps was overkill.

 

It still is for many people I guess. Obviously not for most of us here on geekzone, but for many households a 20MBps download link is very adequate. I have wondered in the past what would happen if an ISP brought out a 20MBps down /10MBps up plan for say $30per month, and what sort of interruptions it would bring to the current broadband market. My guess it that there will be a very lot of people signing up. It will probably be too slow for our household, but I know of many households where such a plan will be more than sufficient.

 

 

 

And that'd still be better than a lot of Australian users can get.

 

I'd consider a plan like that. I have 100/20 at the moment, and never really use that much bandwidth (it is nice for downloading 'isos'.

 

 


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And that'd still be better than a lot of Australian users can get.

 

Australia is a big place, and broadband differs quiet considerably depending on where you live.

 

According to netflix speedtest, Australia is definitely not as bad as everybody here seems to be making out.

 

trig42:

 

I'd consider a plan like that. I have 100/20 at the moment, and never really use that much bandwidth (it is nice for downloading 'isos'.

 

 

I guess a low price 20/10 plan with unlimited data will really be ideal for many households.


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The Netflix speed test isn't great for comparing speeds, as it's limited by the bitrate of Netflix's streams. Most of these come nowhere near saturating a modern connection.


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Between the new IoT networks and 10Gbps home internet connections, the unstoppable DDoSes of the future are not far away.

 

Good thing we have so many decentralised internet services to rely on :)


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