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# 217841 14-Jul-2017 15:41
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I have been told by my Chorus fibre installer that I must arrange for an electrician ( i.e. pay) to place the internal fibre behind the gib in the room where I want it to terminate. He is willing to install over the gib which I think is unsightly. If anybody can tell me whether I should pay or require Chorus to do the install with wire behind the gib for free I would be grateful.


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  # 1822561 14-Jul-2017 15:54
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This isn't going to be the most helpful response but I can say that I've been to at least 100 houses with fibre and they all have the yellow fibre cable running down their wall (in sight). 





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  # 1822565 14-Jul-2017 15:58
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There is a very slim scope of work the installers work under. Generally, external capping to house/up walls, drill through wall from external to internal from ducting pipe. Or if feasible up through accessible basement/wood floors. Or from overhead under eaves and down with capping. No internal wall or jib work, but usually alongside existing.

 

And thats it. If you don't want it where they recommend or have scoped it to go, its generally additional costing.

 

 

 

This is why many go ahead and do the work before arranging the scope, to make the install quick and avoid such roadblocks.

 

 

Basically, the government helps cover the costs of fibre installs up to 200 metres from the street. After that, you might need to pay to cover the extra distance. Non-standard installations don’t happen often, but if you live more than 200m from the fibre hub on the road or you're in an apartment building or if you want extra wiring put in, you might need a non-standard installation.

 

You may need extra wiring if you want your ONT in an unusual place. Some people like to put it in a room that’s hidden away. Others like to wire it up to a TV or computer that isn’t so close to where the fibre cable enters the property. Your LFC will let you know if your plans require extra wiring when you discuss it with them.

 

Extra wiring is NOT the same as integrated wiring which connects up jackpoints, extra phone lines, medical alarms, pay TV etc. Read more about that here.

 

https://www.spark.co.nz/help/internet-data/fibre-help/fibre-informed-decisions//#1Tab1 (thinking about installation tab)


 
 
 
 


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  # 1822566 14-Jul-2017 16:02
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 Home owner should pay for all concealed wiring and associated prep work themselves. LFC installers don't have the skills required in many cases anyway. I paid for pre wire of my home and made sure it was just as simple as fibre patch lead from one hole to the next hole - still didn't manage to connect the phone line correctly as the wires fell out of RJ12 just on touch, also didn't disconnect from Chorus copper. No way would I allow such highly skilled people to attempt any concealed wiring.





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  # 1822573 14-Jul-2017 16:13
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Mikey118:

I have been told by my Chorus fibre installer that I must arrange for an electrician ( i.e. pay) to place the internal fibre behind the gib in the room where I want it to terminate. He is willing to install over the gib which I think is unsightly. If anybody can tell me whether I should pay or require Chorus to do the install with wire behind the gib for free I would be grateful.


I believe he has told you the truth. It would be at your cost if you want cables dropped inside walls.




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  # 1822574 14-Jul-2017 16:15
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If you want a custom install you're going to have to get somebody else to do it and pay for it yourself.

 

Internal drilling inside walls and running cable down it is actually a pretty specialised skill. Depending on the actual work required it's far from simple and carries risk with it. For this reason it's beyond the scope of a standard install, and if you want that done you'll need to do as Chorus have told you to do.

 

 


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  # 1822584 14-Jul-2017 16:35
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Most installers should be able to use an existing phone or data cable as a drawwire to facilitate an in wall install if available.




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  # 1822595 14-Jul-2017 17:07
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Thanks very much for all your replies. They are appreciated. I read all the stuff about a standard install. I guess what would have helped me would have been some of the answers I got here

 

 

I talked to my Chorus installer and he said that drawing down using the copper connection in the room was not an option for him because of possible blocks in the gib. He is now coming back to give me a length of fibre for me to get someone else to do the job. Can anybody recommend someone in Wellington or are electricians just expected to be able to do it?

 
 
 
 


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  # 1822602 14-Jul-2017 17:30
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What is the best way to get a concealed install of fibre on a new build?


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  # 1822604 14-Jul-2017 17:30
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So your installer first visited your house and said he can't do the job, and now he's going to visit again to Drop off the fibre cable. All that running around and not getting paid for it. Jeez, he should have just fished the wall to start with. It's not that complicated if there's an existing jackpoint to use for a draw wire. But I guess it's the luck of the draw when it comes to fibre techs.

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  # 1822610 14-Jul-2017 17:43
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mattwnz:

What is the best way to get a concealed install of fibre on a new build?



chorus has their own layout specs for new build online too. Most builders will spec for it now as the fibre install Is the way going forward.

in wall cabinet in garage close to blow point. with a 2nd or comms area elsewhere. often shared with wall jack runs and antenna coax.

ont and router in one
antennas and analogue breakout in the other

run 2x (or more) ethernet between locations and ducting (specifc bend radius required) for fibre. switch and star layout with dual outlets. 1 voice if needed jumper to a single analogue krone to voip. other data. and alwaus put at least 3 near an AV area with multi coax :)

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  # 1822648 14-Jul-2017 19:27
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The guy that did our scoping visit gave me a length of conduit for the same issue.  It was easy enough to use an exiting line near where I wanted the ONT to be placed, and draw the small conduit down inside the wall ready for them to do the install when the fibre guys arrived.  Upshot is whether you do the prep work or you pay someone to do it the fibre guys wont.   





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  # 1822727 15-Jul-2017 08:04
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Yes I guess it might be easy enough to draw a wire through an old plug for somebody younger but crawling around in my roof is a bit much for me in my seventies. Ten years ago perhaps. I guess from what's been said that an electrician could easily do it for me. Thanks again for all your help.

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  # 1833056 28-Jul-2017 18:57
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b0untypure1:

 

This isn't going to be the most helpful response but I can say that I've been to at least 100 houses with fibre and they all have the yellow fibre cable running down their wall (in sight). 

 

 

 Really? Where?

 

I have no wire showing outside or in.
Very neat job here....


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  # 1833187 29-Jul-2017 08:50
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so where the ONT is installed you have to have a power point and phone jack right next to it is this right ?


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  # 1833267 29-Jul-2017 09:54
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mattwnz:

 

What is the best way to get a concealed install of fibre on a new build?

 

 

Your homehub is on the internal side of the external wall above the ETP 

 

And the structured cabling is pre-installed before the gib goes up. 

 

That way they can use the pull cable from the ETP through to the home hub which is only a couple of metres up the wall, and the rest of the house is already pre-wired. 





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