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Mr Snotty
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  # 1825599 20-Jul-2017 06:46
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Many of us have got UFB - Here is my installation:


From your response it does sound like you need to either go with a business ISP ($$$) or just get a VPS / Server in the cloud somewhere.

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  # 1825641 20-Jul-2017 08:51
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That's too bad. Good to know though. You guys should really consider offering additional IPv4 addresses.
Regarding the IPv6, is that the same $45 for a static or is that free because 295 quintillion addresses in /60? :)





There's no additional charge for IPv6, you just have to ask for it if you want it. We don't have any plans to hand out multiple IPv4 addresses to a given line at this stage. Keep in mind we are a residential service provider. :)


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  # 1825655 20-Jul-2017 09:00
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For business you have the pick of the likes of DTS, Voyager, Solarix, Vibe (not in any particular order). They are able to provide pretty much anything from standard stuff through to a proper connection with VLANs, BGP, etc.





Having a read on the business ISPs, they look significantly more expensive. Le sad.


I don't need SLAs or anything since it's just for home/hobby use. DTS was $230/mo with a 24 month contract for gigabit where as BigPipe is currently $130/mo and no contract.


Steep! I'm generally pretty surprised too because at least with fibre in Europe extra IPs are pretty standard. Business lines generally get issued a /29 right from the beginning.



You get what you pay for. Those business ISP's will order the Bitstream 3 circuits for you which come with the higher service level targets.


$230 sounds like about the price of a BS3 100Mbps service with the standard 6 hour (i think) service level target which I think is quite reasonable considering that would have cost close to $1000 before UFB was a thing.


I would guess the IP space thing is because the ISP's will be being looked at to make sure they are using their IPv4 space responsibly. And really quite honestly, with the likes of nginx, you just don't need the extra IP addresses any more just for the sake of running a web application.

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  # 1825656 20-Jul-2017 09:00
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Thanks! had to be more specific with my Googling. What's the cost of the /30? This would be perfect.





I've had my IP's since Snap days (before 2Degrees), so not sure if you can still request these from 2Degrees, you would need to ask, as prices may have changed since I got my IP's years ago.


I currently have:


  • Base fibre plan (unlimited data): $95
  • Static IPv4: $5
  • Speed boost to 1000/500: $44.95
  • /30 IPv4 subnet: $10.23
  • Less $10 discount (as been with them for years since Snap) - if you have a 2Degrees pay monthly mobile plan you can also get $10 discount
  • Total: $145.18

 Edit: looks like 2degrees charge $10 for a single static IP these days, luckily I got mine when it was $5:

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  # 1825676 20-Jul-2017 09:34
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For residential connections I don't think you will get more than one IPv4 address. You may be allowed a /56 or /60 for v6.


For business connections I can arrange a quote for 1G/1G Business Max with multiple IPv4 addresses.


Obviously the price of this circuit is more expensive than your standard 1Gig UFB connection. However the SLA's will be better in the event of an outage. So you will get what you pay for.

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  # 1826287 21-Jul-2017 00:16
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The pictures are pretty sweet. Thanks mate. Definitely gives me a good idea of what to expect.


Yeah. I'm actually trying to move away from cloud/VPS. Hardware costs are coming down and I'd rather maintain and manage things myself.


It's a shame really. Seems excessive to get my own personal AS number for a single extra IP. :)




Thanks again.


Yeah. I realize that for the 98% a single IP isn't an issue. If you're doing CGNAT on the whole network, surely there's an extra IP or two spare though for a hobbyist. ;)


Internode in AUS does (used to do) a really good IPv4/IPv6 dual stack network. Worth you guys having a chat with them maybe.




I understand. "You get what you pay for" is a good saying. I just don't think a single extra IP is an unreasonable request. Especially when so many other parts of the world do it. Even in regions where it's an option, only a tiny tiny percentage ever actually ask for them.


As for being responsible, again the percentage is so small of people who would actually request them that the argument is better made that there's no profit in it. Or that it isn't worth the time to do.


Also, I appreciate and understand that you don't think I need an extra IP because there are other options. I promise you that I already make extensive use of a custom build of NGINX with the stream plugin (including SSL) to avoid having to use multiple IP addresses. That doesn't resolve every issue I'm afraid.




That doesn't seem like too bad a deal. I just wanted to avoid the 24mo contract. Personally, I'm more likely to stay with a provider that I'm not obligated to be with. I feel like they give better service when the risk of losing a customer is constantly on the table. Even if neither of us are really thinking about it.


My current mobile provider argued with me about something for 3 weeks about renewing my service. "We'll only let you keep your current offer if you sign a 12 month contract". I said no and eventually they relented and let me stay where I am without a contract. That was 20 months ago and I haven't budged. Had they forced it, I would of dropped their service and found someone else. Even if I had to sign a contract anyway.




Appreciate the offer. Thank you. Again, I don't really need SLAs because I'm just a hobbyist and a business connection seems like overkill. :)


RE: IPv6pipe, I'll probably end up here with a /60. It's not perfect, but it'll do. That, or use a tiny VPS somewhere with more bandwidth than RAM and set up a VPN tunnel just for the public IP. :)



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