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  # 1835796 2-Aug-2017 15:05
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Talkiet:

 

Interesting also that @GlimpNZ has responded several times recently, but no comment on why Skinny is excluded from the results...

 

Cheers - N

 

 

 

 

Sorry, super busy here, its only 2 of us working on this project :)

 

Re Skinny, we are in the talks with them.


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  # 1835797 2-Aug-2017 15:06
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plas:

 

I'm in a newer sub division that never had copper and Enables lookup works correctly, yet I get told I can only get adsl. So the data must be very out of date.

 

 

Really? Damn, sent you a private message.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1835799 2-Aug-2017 15:09
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Talkiet:

 

Interesting also that @GlimpNZ has responded several times recently, but no comment on why Skinny is excluded from the results...

 

Cheers - N

 

 

 

 

Presumably the Glimp FAQs also apply here:

 

 

 

 

Who are the broadband providers that we compare?

 

 

 

We are covering approximately 90% of New Zealand market for broadband providers, which are listed below:

 

     

  1. Compass
  2. Bigpipe
  3. Orcon
  4. Slingshot
  5. Flip
  6. MyRepublic
  7. 2Degrees
  8. Vodafone
  9. Spark

 

 

There's nine providers on that list, and Skinny (amongst others) is not present.

 

 

 




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  # 1835801 2-Aug-2017 15:14
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Also note that this list cover nationwide providers and those who are on board with the project.





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  # 1835811 2-Aug-2017 15:28
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I liked it. Good effort, especially if you respond to errors/omissions quickly.


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  # 1835829 2-Aug-2017 15:48
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 Still need to consider adding the Gigatown offers for Dunedin customers of those ISP's imo.


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  # 1835925 2-Aug-2017 17:13
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I have found that all providers ask you to type in your address prior to being able to compare plans. This means that I only ever get to see ADSL offers. Fibre has been laid in the street and I want to do my research and see what's on offer before I sign up, none of the compare sites do this. I realise it's probably so I don't sign up to a plan I can't get yet.

 

I guess I'll have to put in someone else's address in a Fibre area :-)


 
 
 
 


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  # 1835936 2-Aug-2017 17:18
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@ubernoob it is needed in order to see what technologies are available and from what ISP. Without it, the site may say "hey you can haz UFB" when really you live out in Haast with not even ADSL being available.




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First thing that jumps out at me is, the only rsp showing with something "unique" and "flashy" is my republic.

 

exception being orcon which i'd say is okay since it clearly states the pricing is a special deal for a new connection through the service.

 

 

 

Past this, I'd love to see a few more RSP's added.

 

 

 

I do question, how is the "speed" Calculation done?

 

I get results of 24/8.5 for all RSP's aside from once again my republic, which says 70/10.

 

 

 

 

 

I love geekzone having a compare site, but geekzone being what it is really need to be presenting a neutral environment - vodafone included...





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  # 1836057 2-Aug-2017 20:29
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hio77:

 

First thing that jumps out at me is, the only rsp showing with something "unique" and "flashy" is my republic.

 

exception being orcon which i'd say is okay since it clearly states the pricing is a special deal for a new connection through the service.

 

 

 

Past this, I'd love to see a few more RSP's added.

 

 

 

I do question, how is the "speed" Calculation done?

 

I get results of 24/8.5 for all RSP's aside from once again my republic, which says 70/10.

 

 

 

 

 

I love geekzone having a compare site, but geekzone being what it is really need to be presenting a neutral environment - vodafone included...

 

 

 

 

Not every plan on MyRepublic is shown as 70/10 and even then, they asked us to. The reason being is they only provide VDSL when you are within certain distance from the cabinet. 

 

Regarding the speed...it is a tough question, as in the ideal world we would like to get the information straight from the source and display that.

 

At the moment, we just took what we feel is reasonable and based on Truenet. I am on VDSL myself and will be lucky to get anything close to 20 down. 

 

However, I do agree and we should revisit those speeds and probably decrease the averages. Based on the recent Truenet report, the VDSL average was 15, whereas ADSL was just under 8.

 

Vodafone is included for ADSL,VDSL & Fibre. 


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  # 1836082 2-Aug-2017 21:07
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glimpNZ:

 

Not every plan on MyRepublic is shown as 70/10 and even then, they asked us to. The reason being is they only provide VDSL when you are within certain distance from the cabinet. 

 

Regarding the speed...it is a tough question, as in the ideal world we would like to get the information straight from the source and display that.

 

At the moment, we just took what we feel is reasonable and based on Truenet. I am on VDSL myself and will be lucky to get anything close to 20 down. 

 

However, I do agree and we should revisit those speeds and probably decrease the averages. Based on the recent Truenet report, the VDSL average was 15, whereas ADSL was just under 8.

 

Vodafone is included for ADSL,VDSL & Fibre. 

 



 

If the Truenet results are saying VDSL average speed is 15Mbps, either you're reading the results wrong, or the Truenet results are wrong. That's incredibly inaccurate.

 

You might be looking at the Australian Copper Webpage average speed results to get those numbers and the comparable Fibre results in the same test show an average of about 55Mbps. (That's not a reflection of the raw product speed because a) web pages, b) small file tests c) It's testing across networks out of control of the providers, d) effect of latency is having an impact, e) other things I can't think of at the moment :-)

 

Further in their results Truenet indicate that the Fibre speed throughput is actually pretty much at line speed (except for the ones they show as over the L2 provisioned circuit speed - but that's another story :-)... So if we index the Aussie Fibre results at 55% of the line speed, then you should index the Copper Aussie results upward by about 1.9x

 

That would make the 'average' VDSL speed about 28.5 (on your approx 15 basis) which I honestly think is still low. I can see the average speed of all Spark customers and it's a LOT higher than 28.5 for VDSL. I can see both the connect speeds and the speedtest.net results against our speedtest servers - there's a high correlation between the connect speeds and speedtest speeds for the controlled tests we've run.

 

It's no secret than I don't believe the Truenet results are entirely valid, and in some cases in the past they have been provably wrong. You should be entirely comfortable that you completely understand their test and analysis methodology before using them in your site. Even though Spark shows up very favourably on the reports at the moment I PERSONALLY honestly wouldn't use them as a basis for deciding on an ISP.

 

I might be accused of bias, but I've argued against my own company at times in various TCF forums (to do with performance measurements and SLAs for UFB) because I want accurate and unbiased results, with transparent and reliable methodology.

 

Cheers - N

 

 

 

 





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  # 1836088 2-Aug-2017 21:22
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As above, not a fan of the "purple banner" with benefits some get while others also have good benefits but you have to click to view them., I understand that may be how you make more money but it should be the deal itself that wins the customer over, not the one with the banner

 

Consider PowerSwitch for example, All should be presented equally.

 

I don't think they have Fibre checking with Enable either.

 

I take it it is Spark's decision to not have Skinny listed, Which is a bit of a shame really.


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  # 1836089 2-Aug-2017 21:22
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Had a go and it only shows me fibre plans for my address despite being in a non fibre area and having VDSL.  When I click on the VDSL option in the results page I still only get fibre options.  


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  # 1836094 2-Aug-2017 21:30
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glimpNZ:

 

 Not every plan on MyRepublic is shown as 70/10 and even then, they asked us to. The reason being is they only provide VDSL when you are within certain distance from the cabinet. 

 

Regarding the speed...it is a tough question, as in the ideal world we would like to get the information straight from the source and display that.

 

At the moment, we just took what we feel is reasonable and based on Truenet. I am on VDSL myself and will be lucky to get anything close to 20 down. 

 

However, I do agree and we should revisit those speeds and probably decrease the averages. Based on the recent Truenet report, the VDSL average was 15, whereas ADSL was just under 8.

 

Vodafone is included for ADSL,VDSL & Fibre. 

 

 

 

 

The data has changed since my original post strangely enough...

 

 

 

however;

 

 

here is Two listings for MYRP VDSL, one saying 70/10 the other saying the "24/8.5"

 

 

 

As to the being based on truenet, remember they are a subset of customers. I have personally ran the data against a much larger base and there is far higher results for average speed.

 

ontop of that, if you cut out the borderline connections (which there are alot since chorus bought in 998) this average goes up far higher again.





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  # 1836100 2-Aug-2017 21:39
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Talkiet:

 

If the Truenet results are saying VDSL average speed is 15Mbps, either you're reading the results wrong, or the Truenet results are wrong. That's incredibly inaccurate.

 

You might be looking at the Australian Copper Webpage average speed results to get those numbers and the comparable Fibre results in the same test show an average of about 55Mbps. (That's not a reflection of the raw product speed because a) web pages, b) small file tests c) It's testing across networks out of control of the providers, d) effect of latency is having an impact, e) other things I can't think of at the moment :-)

 

Further in their results Truenet indicate that the Fibre speed throughput is actually pretty much at line speed (except for the ones they show as over the L2 provisioned circuit speed - but that's another story :-)... So if we index the Aussie Fibre results at 55% of the line speed, then you should index the Copper Aussie results upward by about 1.9x

 

That would make the 'average' VDSL speed about 28.5 (on your approx 15 basis) which I honestly think is still low. I can see the average speed of all Spark customers and it's a LOT higher than 28.5 for VDSL. I can see both the connect speeds and the speedtest.net results against our speedtest servers - there's a high correlation between the connect speeds and speedtest speeds for the controlled tests we've run.

 

It's no secret than I don't believe the Truenet results are entirely valid, and in some cases in the past they have been provably wrong. You should be entirely comfortable that you completely understand their test and analysis methodology before using them in your site. Even though Spark shows up very favourably on the reports at the moment I PERSONALLY honestly wouldn't use them as a basis for deciding on an ISP.

 

I might be accused of bias, but I've argued against my own company at times in various TCF forums (to do with performance measurements and SLAs for UFB) because I want accurate and unbiased results, with transparent and reliable methodology.

 

Cheers - N

 

 

Yeah, we would love to show the actual results for speeds. Completely agree to have accurate results/tests for speeds. I just don't see how we can at this point with our limited resource.

 

If you got ideas, keen to discuss :) If we were able to tap into the speeds that providers show or their actual average speeds, that would be amazing.


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