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  #1884746 17-Oct-2017 07:52
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Behodar:

 

sbiddle: My answer to that is why would you call it an ISP rather than RSP?

 

Maybe in the days when you only had dialup calling it an ISP made sense, but RSP is pretty much the accepted term in the industry these days and certainly the term that's far more commonly used.

 

You've lost me. Whether dialup or fibre, the provider is still providing Internet service (access), so I'm not sure why you imply that it doesn't make sense now. As for RSP being "far more common", I've never heard it outside Geekzone.

 

 

I don't really have a anything more to add...At the end of the day the word RSP is the most commonly used term in the industry and is used by Chorus, all the LFC's, MBIE, TCF and so on. The word ISP is not used by any of these organisations and has not been used for many, many years.

 

Providers don't just provide "Internet" so the term ISP really is quite outdated.

 

 




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  #1884747 17-Oct-2017 07:53
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sbiddle:

 

99.9% of users out there would not notice the difference if their upload was 20Mbps or 200Mbps as the typical Internet user has usage that's very assymetrical. I'd be interested to know what particular use case the OP has that relies on massive data uploads that they would notice the difference.

 

At the end of the day residential internet has become a numbers game since the margins are so incredibly low. The focus from most people is headline download speed and price so RSP's opt for UFB profiles that meet these requirements.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well when I had VDSL I was getting about 38mbps down and 10mbps up then when I changed to fibre 100/20 I noticed I was getting much better ping to NZ servers and overseas (I'm a gamer)

 

I wasn't sure if the lower pings were just because of changing technology or also because of my higher speeds, So I changed to the fibre 200/20 plan thinking my ping could go down even more (it didn't) So I'm still thinking it's the upload, If I had a faster upload my ping could go even lower...


 
 
 
 


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  #1884748 17-Oct-2017 07:55
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Starscream122:

 

sbiddle:

 

99.9% of users out there would not notice the difference if their upload was 20Mbps or 200Mbps as the typical Internet user has usage that's very assymetrical. I'd be interested to know what particular use case the OP has that relies on massive data uploads that they would notice the difference.

 

At the end of the day residential internet has become a numbers game since the margins are so incredibly low. The focus from most people is headline download speed and price so RSP's opt for UFB profiles that meet these requirements.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well when I had VDSL I was getting about 38mbps down and 10mbps up then when I changed to fibre 100/20 I noticed I was getting much better ping to NZ servers and overseas (I'm a gamer)

 

I wasn't sure if the lower pings were just because of changing technology or also because of my higher speeds, So I changed to the fibre 200/20 plan thinking my ping could go down even more (it didn't) So I'm still thinking it's the upload, If I had a faster upload my ping could go even lower...

 

 

Your ping won't (and can't) change regardless of you had 30Mbps fibre or 10Gbps fibre.

 

Ping on VDSL2 will depend on your profile and can be 0ms which will deliver pretty much identical performance to fibre. Most people will see latency on their VDSL2 or ADSL2+ connection which acts as interleaving to improve performance.

 

 

 

 


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  #1884761 17-Oct-2017 08:38
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Your ping is not going to change because you have a wider upload pipe. You will have the same ping on a 10/5 Fibre plan as a 1000/500. It is the routing and distance to remote servers that determines your ping. You cannot overcome distance with a wider pipe.


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  #1884916 17-Oct-2017 10:49
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Starscream122:

 

DarkShadow:

 

Starscream122:

 

 

 

And these speeds have been the same for years they have never increased with time..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They have. When fibre first came out it the most common speed offered was 30/10. Now it's 100/20.

 

The fastest residential plan was 100/50, then it increased to 200/200, now it's 1000/500

 

 

 

 

On what ISP? Vodafone consumer plans are 100/20     200/20  same as spark....

 

 

Most big ISPs including Vodafone and Spark have a gigabit plan.




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  #1884917 17-Oct-2017 10:51
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DarkShadow:

 

Starscream122:

 

DarkShadow:

 

Starscream122:

 

 

 

And these speeds have been the same for years they have never increased with time..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They have. When fibre first came out it the most common speed offered was 30/10. Now it's 100/20.

 

The fastest residential plan was 100/50, then it increased to 200/200, now it's 1000/500

 

 

 

 

On what ISP? Vodafone consumer plans are 100/20     200/20  same as spark....

 

 

Most big ISPs including Vodafone and Spark have a gigabit plan.

 

 

 

 

Oh I know that Vodafone have a gigabit plan, it's Called ''Fibre max'' but they don't have plans that have say 200/200 for consumers 


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  #1884926 17-Oct-2017 10:56
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Starscream122:

 

 

 

Oh I know that Vodafone have a gigabit plan, it's Called ''Fibre max'' but they don't have plans that have say 200/200 for consumers 

 

 

You can choose a 200/200 business plan if you wish.





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  #1884927 17-Oct-2017 10:57
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Starscream122:

 

DarkShadow:

 

Starscream122:

 

DarkShadow:

 

Starscream122:

 

 

 

And these speeds have been the same for years they have never increased with time..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They have. When fibre first came out it the most common speed offered was 30/10. Now it's 100/20.

 

The fastest residential plan was 100/50, then it increased to 200/200, now it's 1000/500

 

 

 

 

On what ISP? Vodafone consumer plans are 100/20     200/20  same as spark....

 

 

Most big ISPs including Vodafone and Spark have a gigabit plan.

 

 

 

 

Oh I know that Vodafone have a gigabit plan, it's Called ''Fibre max'' but they don't have plans that have say 200/200 for consumers 

 

 

The gigabit plan is about the same price at wholesale as 200/200 so many ISPs just upgraded their customers for free when it came out.


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  #1885777 18-Oct-2017 16:00
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My guess is that the ISP/RSP distinction came in with structural separation of Telecom. After that happened, the term ISP could refer to either Chorus or Spark, so RSP made it clear what you're referring to. 


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  #1885818 18-Oct-2017 17:03
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In terms of why, I guess it just comes down to ISPs not over-complicating their service offerings, and would depend a lot on the products being offered by the LFCs.

 

For example Enable's wholesale pricing ( https://www.enable.net.nz/assets/Uploads/Enable-UFB-Price-List-Jul-2017-Version-1-9.pdf )

 

$45/month - 100/20

 

$50/month - 100/50

 

$55/month - 200/20, 100/100

 

$60/month - 200/100, 1000/500

 

$65/month - 200/200

 

Why pay $10 more a month to double the upload when you could pay $15 more a month and multiply it all by 10..

 

 

 

And probably also down to prices between the different LFCs/where products/prices align


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  #1885844 18-Oct-2017 17:25
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jnimmo:

 

In terms of why, I guess it just comes down to ISPs not over-complicating their service offerings, and would depend a lot on the products being offered by the LFCs.

 

For example Enable's wholesale pricing ( https://www.enable.net.nz/assets/Uploads/Enable-UFB-Price-List-Jul-2017-Version-1-9.pdf )

 

$45/month - 100/20

 

$50/month - 100/50

 

$55/month - 200/20, 100/100

 

$60/month - 200/100, 1000/500

 

$65/month - 200/200

 

Why pay $10 more a month to double the upload when you could pay $15 more a month and multiply it all by 10..

 

 

 

And probably also down to prices between the different LFCs/where products/prices align

 

 

Exactly this...

 

 

 

Around here there are a few people i know who have asked their provider to provision a slightly not BAU plan.

 

The big companies often won't have the leway to do this unless you go into the corporate side unless you manage to really get ahold of the right person to run the older on the back end differently...





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  #1885851 18-Oct-2017 17:38
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My ISP has just changed their Fibre tiers:

 

 

 

Base plan 100/20 - $85 

 

Next Tier 200/100 - $115

 

Next tier 1000/500 (or Max speed) - $135

 

* These are Naked unlimited prices, phoneline is +$5 *

 

 

 

So far seems to have gone down well with the customers (especially the 200/100). 

 

I definitely agree that it is annoying most providers don't offer the higher upload plans, especially as we move more and more towards the Cloud... 


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  #1885855 18-Oct-2017 17:54
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I just saw an ad on TV for My Republic where they used the acronym ISP.


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  #1885885 18-Oct-2017 18:59
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Sheesh. So much circular silly arguing here.

 

Plans: Most ISPs have several speeds, from entry level fibre to (basically - but not quite) Gig. Spark's is called Fibre Max. There's no point in putting extra intermediate steps in the existing lineup just to create more plans because there's no customer need and there's no pricing discrimination possible at a meaningful level.

 

RSP vs ISP: ISP is a generic term that's still used. RSP (Retail Service Provider) is a newer, more precise term that has some special meanings when it comes to regulation and Fibre in NZ. Feel free to use either term if you're talking in general about the company you pay for your Internet.

 

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  #1885961 18-Oct-2017 21:08
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hio77:

 

jnimmo:

 

In terms of why, I guess it just comes down to ISPs not over-complicating their service offerings, and would depend a lot on the products being offered by the LFCs.

 

For example Enable's wholesale pricing ( https://www.enable.net.nz/assets/Uploads/Enable-UFB-Price-List-Jul-2017-Version-1-9.pdf )

 

$45/month - 100/20

 

$50/month - 100/50

 

$55/month - 200/20, 100/100

 

$60/month - 200/100, 1000/500

 

$65/month - 200/200

 

Why pay $10 more a month to double the upload when you could pay $15 more a month and multiply it all by 10..

 

 

 

And probably also down to prices between the different LFCs/where products/prices align

 

 

Exactly this...

 

 

 

Around here there are a few people i know who have asked their provider to provision a slightly not BAU plan.

 

The big companies often won't have the leway to do this unless you go into the corporate side unless you manage to really get ahold of the right person to run the older on the back end differently...

 

 

 

 

Oh so they do have the ability to create a custom plan 


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