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  Reply # 1894019 2-Nov-2017 07:45
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michaelmurfy:

 

Personally, I wouldn't go with Unlimited Internet - they're quite dodgy (See this thread).

 

Voyager or 2degrees will give you SIP details if you ask nicely. Else don't forget you could always port the phone to 2talk and use that if it is a must. Spark are expensive but good and include added bonuses like Netflix and Lightbox too.

 

 

I've been with Unlimited exactly a year today
In that year, I've never had to call them for anything, I can't ask for any more
They were also the only ISP that connected VDSL to my house, where all others said it couldn't be done, ADSL or nothing
And here I am a year later with this mornings 6db profile change sitting on 72/21Mbps connection

 

I moved from 2Degrees who refused to do any work on SIP login/PW on non supplied routers
One of my FB7390's (from Snap) died, I needed to setup my spare, was a mammoth battle I lost, so I moved to more accommodating ISP
Not looked back since.

 

Anywho, the FB7390 sits happily behind my ERL3, it does nothing but VOIP
I like the FB as its a DECT station don't need any BT plug points, the FB covers the house with handsets


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  Reply # 1894020 2-Nov-2017 07:57
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Lorenceo:

Run the ISP supplied router as an ATA only, behind your existing router?



Here are some instructions for setting this up, which leaves you free to use your own kit as router/wifi/etc: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=40&topicid=198107&page_no=3#1595908

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1894021 2-Nov-2017 08:10
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If it is important to you to have voice from the ONT, just go Spark. Probably the most reliable and cheapest overall once you add all the extra stuff they throw in.

 

Providing voice to the ONT is not exactly that hard, just a handful of the main providers haven't bothered - i would guess mainly for ease of deployment to have a single deployment method.

 

We can provide voice to the ONT via our SIP wholesaler, but you have to have to the primary service with us too - and we don't do residential or rock bottom price.


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  Reply # 1894024 2-Nov-2017 08:24
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@freakngeek 2degrees now provide these details if you ask - they also have a part on their sign up form to request the SIP details.

There are many people I know who have had issues with Unlimited Internet and they're also not the cheapest (their advertising is pure marketing) - plenty of other providers these days in that price range that offer better service.

Also - all providers go through the same ordering process with VDSL so if one can provide it then they all can. Given your current sync rate Chorus would have no issues provisioning you with VDSL. UL are not special in this regard - they go through the exact same ordering process - I find it very hard to believe they were the only one.




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  Reply # 1894046 2-Nov-2017 09:14
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NOW phone and Broadband provide their voice from the ONT.

 

They can provide fibre services to anywhere in the North Island currently that has fibre available.

 

http://nownz.co.nz


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  Reply # 1894051 2-Nov-2017 09:27
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I highly recommend using a VOIP (like 2Talk) provider and an ATA.

 

This is cheaper (over time) and completely portable and ISP independant (I have used mine at work and at my son's place when we lived in his garage for a few months)





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  Reply # 1894116 2-Nov-2017 10:50
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Aredwood: ... Although supposedly you can just set the fritzbox to IP Client mode and it's VOIP will still work.

 

Our landline is provided by 2Deg and is supposed to be VoIP. I use the Fritzbox in IP client mode and simply plug the POTS handset into the Fritzbox. No problems.


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  Reply # 1894322 2-Nov-2017 16:14
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 This sounds like one of these threads where some people make it overly complicated on themselves.

 

I use Inspire and 2talk with a Cisco 887VA and Snom + Panasonic VoIP phones. It just works.

 

Find yourself an ISP who isn't cheap and crappy. Get a VoIP service with 2talk. Use your own hardware. Problem solved.


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  Reply # 1894387 2-Nov-2017 18:47
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Spark will typically match their competitors(ie Orcon), no harm in asking for it.




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  Reply # 1894456 2-Nov-2017 21:31
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Thanks everyone for the great ideas and additional ISPs for me to look into.

 

I'm now thinking I might drop the idea of trying to do VOIP direct out of the ONT and just continue using the ISP-provided router as a VOIP adapter like I'm doing now (double-NATted but who cares). Although I do also need to use it for wifi in that part of the house unfortunately.

 

@loceff13 — thanks for the suggestion, I had no idea Spark would consider price-matching

 

@michaelnz — "This sounds like one of these threads where some people make it overly complicated on themselves."

 

Well actually I was trying to make things more simple, by avoiding the need for a VOIP adapter (or worse, a double-natted complicated setup with a router/voip all-in-one device) when the ONT already has a voip adapter. Also, you mention 2talk, which I like conceptually (and use their free account), but Orcon's $9 for voip with free national calls is much more tempting.


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  Reply # 1894461 2-Nov-2017 21:59
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Ardgowan:

 

Well actually I was trying to make things more simple, by avoiding the need for a VOIP adapter (or worse, a double-natted complicated setup with a router/voip all-in-one device) when the ONT already has a voip adapter. Also, you mention 2talk, which I like conceptually (and use their free account), but Orcon's $9 for voip with free national calls is much more tempting.

 

I don't know where you are getting this info from. Use your own router only + VoIP phones or ATA's. No double NAT.

 

The only time I have ever seen double NAT is when someone who didn't know better daisy chained their devices. But with the advice I have given you this is not needed.


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  Reply # 1894462 2-Nov-2017 22:19
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Compass Communications does POTS over ONT




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  Reply # 1894465 2-Nov-2017 22:29
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@michaelnz — lol... sorry for the confusion but this thread has gotten quite long and earlier I mentioned I am currently forced to run double-NAT to get voip from Vodafone, because I want to use my Edgerouter-X as my router. So I think you're saying what I'm saying — just my Edgerouter plus an ATA (or the ONT) would be a much cleaner setup.


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  Reply # 1894466 2-Nov-2017 22:32
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Ardgowan:

 

@michaelnz — lol... sorry for the confusion but this thread has gotten quite long and earlier I mentioned I am currently forced to run double-NAT to get voip from Vodafone, because I want to use my Edgerouter-X as my router. So I think you're saying what I'm saying — just my Edgerouter plus an ATA (or the ONT) would be a much cleaner setup.

 

 

Ok I see. One of those "pushed in to it by my provider scenarios". Find yourself a new provider is my 2 cents. No good will ever come of wasting time with really large and really crappy ones. Personally, I am with Inspire but you can make your choice from several providers who will give you a month by month connection (30 days notice is usual) and let you BYO equipment.


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  Reply # 1894506 3-Nov-2017 07:15
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Ardgowan:

 

@michaelnz — lol... sorry for the confusion but this thread has gotten quite long and earlier I mentioned I am currently forced to run double-NAT to get voip from Vodafone, because I want to use my Edgerouter-X as my router. So I think you're saying what I'm saying — just my Edgerouter plus an ATA (or the ONT) would be a much cleaner setup.

 

 

Just for clarification here running a router for VoIP behind an existing router (in your case running the HG659b behind the Edgerouter-X) is not a double NAT situation. It's no different to running an ATA behind a router which is a typical setup.

 

 

 

 


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