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  #1894512 3-Nov-2017 07:53
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Sbiddle is right - this situation doesn't need to create double NAT. The issue is that the OP is using the HG659 for wifi, which would create a double NAT for wifi clients.

So, to add another solution to the thread.... get a separate wifi accesss point and hang it off the Edgerouter-X. Use the HG659 for nothing but providing the voice line.

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  #1894514 3-Nov-2017 08:01
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froob: Sbiddle is right - this situation doesn't need to create double NAT. The issue is that the OP is using the HG659 for wifi, which would create a double NAT for wifi clients.

So, to add another solution to the thread.... get a separate wifi accesss point and hang it off the Edgerouter-X. Use the HG659 for nothing but providing the voice line.

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Yes if you are then connecting your clients to the HG659b then it's double NAT - and if you're doing that the question really needs to be asked as to why the need for the Edgerouter because it's then delivering absolutely zero benefit.

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 




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  #1894627 3-Nov-2017 10:23
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sbiddle:

 

Yes if you are then connecting your clients to the HG659b then it's double NAT - and if you're doing that the question really needs to be asked as to why the need for the Edgerouter because it's then delivering absolutely zero benefit.

 

 

Sorry I didn't mention it earlier but I'm running cat6 from the Edgerouter to a distant part of the house where there's an Asus EA-AC87 access point which is a bit of a beast, and a Synology NAS. I also bought the Edgerouter for its reliability — I got sick of restarting the HG659.

 

And I think you're right — I should probably just dig through the back of the cupboard for a spare router to provide wifi where the ONT is, thus no double-NAT. I guess the original idea was to find an ISP (since I'm switching anyway) who use the ONT for voice, purely to avoid having another device on the network. Not that big a deal admittedly but if it can be avoided then that's a plus. However after the helpful comments in this thread I'm thinking it's not really that big a plus :)


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  #1899443 11-Nov-2017 23:08
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Ardgowan:

 

Thanks everyone for the great ideas and additional ISPs for me to look into.

 

I'm now thinking I might drop the idea of trying to do VOIP direct out of the ONT and just continue using the ISP-provided router as a VOIP adapter like I'm doing now (double-NATted but who cares). Although I do also need to use it for wifi in that part of the house unfortunately.

 

@loceff13 — thanks for the suggestion, I had no idea Spark would consider price-matching

 

@michaelnz — "This sounds like one of these threads where some people make it overly complicated on themselves."

 

Well actually I was trying to make things more simple, by avoiding the need for a VOIP adapter (or worse, a double-natted complicated setup with a router/voip all-in-one device) when the ONT already has a voip adapter. Also, you mention 2talk, which I like conceptually (and use their free account), but Orcon's $9 for voip with free national calls is much more tempting.

 

 

VoIP direct from the ONT may tie you to an ISP but it also eliminates your router as a point of failure to improve your chances of keeping the phone running. If you need to reboot the router, theres no affect on your landline. If you really want to keep your phone going during a power cut, you only need to put the UPS/battery backup on the ONT. If you have things like a analogue-monitored burglar alarm, I don't know if the ONT is more reliable but it might be.

 

If you decide to stay with the VoIP on the router, its not double NAT because the service is running on the router itself not behind it so its basically just an ATA. Or you could just use an IP phone.





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