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  #1909456 29-Nov-2017 11:47
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Fellet must be extraordinarily incompetent, as well as ignorant and uninformed. Most of the piracy streaming sites he seems to think are the source of all his woes have already been shut down due to recent actions by authorities in Europe and elsewhere.

 

Apart from that, piracy is not the reason for Sky’s demise. That is entirely due to the company’s own failings. As an example, when we dumped Sky, it was not because we had suddenly discovered pirate streams. It was because Sky no longer represented value for money.

 

So what did we replace it with? Everything we watch is legal. Most comes from the official Kodi repository, overseas public service channels, FTA and YouTube. Both technical and content quality are better than anything Sky has to offer. Some of it is supported by advertising, but the ads are nowhere near as intrusive, repetitive, frequent, lengthy or irritating as those on Sky. Some commercial providers offer limited free sampling and we also benefit from that. Lots of free films at least as current as anything on Sky. Check out Tubi, Pluto, and Crackle, for starters.

 

There is plenty more. And I haven’t even started on the paid services yet. Most of what appears on the Sky documentary channels appears elsewhere first. Some National Geographic content can be found for free on Smithsonian. Curiosity Stream is an excellent inexpensive source of many BBC science programmes. And of course there is always Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime and countless other paid (but much cheaper) sources.

 

If Fellet truly believes that blocking pirate streams will save Sky, it is not surprising Sky is in trouble. He must be incredibly bad at his job, as well as incredibly anti-democratic. As Vocus puts it so well, he belongs in North Korea.

 

 





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  #1909467 29-Nov-2017 11:55
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So this hasn’t been done in this country before so sky I’ll be relaying on laws overseas to press their point.

To do this, it’s unlikely they would win going after legit cricket/rugby sites which are geoblocked.

They will go for the easy fruit like piratebay etc. once they have a president they could then press it further for other sites.

Where does it end? and what other companies would then follow suit?





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  #1909481 29-Nov-2017 12:21
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dclegg:

 

Oblivian:

 

My bets on rugbypass, and those dodgy cricket streaming joints that don't just do cricket.

 



Wonder if it also includes sites like Hulu and HBO. Is this an attempt to cut down on piracy, or also to stamp out parallel importing of legitimately paid for video content?

 

Given that you need to use a VPN to access these services in New Zealand, getting a court order against them would be totally useless. I suspect the list will be similar to the list Foxtel got courts orders for in Australia, where the big three ISPs (Telstra, Optus, TPG/iiNet/Internode) are required by law to block the listed sites. Of course, this has completely eliminated piracy in Australia -- NOT!

 

I would be interested in an article from a lawyer that states if the Sky order has any legal ground to stand on. Stuff/NZME just have articles that have quotes from Vocus and InternetNZ


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  #1909497 29-Nov-2017 12:29
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The details are a little foggy in my memory, but didn't a couple of big companies go after NZ based VPN providers a couple of year ago and get the result they wanted? 

 

Whether Sky's business model is 'outdated' or not, they may still have the law on their side.  Time will tell.





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  #1909498 29-Nov-2017 12:34
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MikeAqua:

 

The details are a little foggy in my memory, but didn't a couple of big companies go after NZ based VPN providers a couple of year ago and get the result they wanted? 

 

 

Yes, but it was settled before it got to court http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/277042/global-mode-dropped-after-legal-action 

 

 

Whether Sky's business model is 'outdated' or not, they may still have the law on their side.  Time will tell.

 

 

I haven't seen any analysis on the current court case to say whether they do or not. Global Mode was circumventing Geo-IP restrictions. I imagine the list of sites this time will be the usual list of Pirate Sites.


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  #1909511 29-Nov-2017 12:37
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I haven't seen any analysis on the current court case to say whether they do or not. Global Mode was circumventing Geo-IP restrictions. I imagine the list of sites this time will be the usual list of Pirate Sites.

 

 

And probably a large number of popular VPN supplier sites ;) I can see them trying it......

 

 





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  #1909526 29-Nov-2017 12:49
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Stuff has posted the injunction here. No specific links named.

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/365781349/AKLDOC01


 
 
 
 


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  #1909527 29-Nov-2017 12:50
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Please don't take the next question as inflammatory...

 

Considering Sky's relationship with Vodafone, would anyone from Vodafone like to comment on whether the same request was made of them, and whether Vodafone has or will comply?





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  #1909528 29-Nov-2017 12:51
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StarBlazer:

Please don't take the next question as inflammatory...


Considering Sky's relationship with Vodafone, would anyone from Vodafone like to comment on whether the same request was made of them, and whether Vodafone has or will comply?



Vodafone is listed in the injunction.

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  #1909530 29-Nov-2017 12:54
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I seriously doubt Sky and the others would have won the global mode action if it had been litigated. Their purpose was just to bully ISPs into submission by threatening them with huge legal bills.

 

 





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  #1909531 29-Nov-2017 12:54
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StarBlazer:

 

Considering Sky's relationship with Vodafone, would anyone from Vodafone like to comment on whether the same request was made of them, and whether Vodafone has or will comply?

 

 

Spark, Vodafone, 2 Degress and Vocus (Orcon/Flip/Slingshot) are all listed in the draft injunction. I wouldn't imagine Vodafone would bend over to Sky on this issue more than the other three ISPs. While they have a close relationship in terms of selling Sky services to Vodafone customers, that is the limit of their relationship.

 

And a clarification from Stuff: "[Sky] Spokeswoman Kirsty Way clarified it was draft injunction which had not yet been filed with the court"


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  #1909532 29-Nov-2017 12:54
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sailedpeep:

 

Stuff has posted the injunction here. No specific links named.

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/365781349/AKLDOC01

 

 

 

 

Yeah, its a "draft" apparently....  what I'd like to know is this going to be a single one off large list, or just whenever they come across a new site they add it. And what will happen if an ISP dosent keep the list up to date ?

 

 





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Just a comment to note that I have seen the news and read the injunction as posted on Stuff. I'm obviously not able to make any personal or professional comment on the topic and I'll be unable to provide any input on Sparks reaction to it.

 

One thing I do feel I can say is I think it's odd that Sky are asking the courts to require only some ISPs to co-operate. It seems that may materially advantage some providers if this succeeds.

 

Fascinating stuff. I look forward to observing.

 

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  #1909537 29-Nov-2017 12:59
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Regardless if this goes through or not, theres many ways to bypass it. Not like its the first time "blocks" have been put in place, technology just changes and finds a way around the blocks. Shutdown a torrent site...another 5 pop up... 

 

 





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  #1909539 29-Nov-2017 13:00
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Talkiet:

 

One thing I do feel I can say is I think it's odd that Sky are asking the courts to require only some ISPs to co-operate. It seems that may materially advantage some providers if this succeeds.

 

 

I would imagine that the big four ISPs make up about 95% of the consumer Internet connected population (a guess, please correct me if I am wrong). The same thing happened in Australia where the only the big three ISPs (Telstra, Optus, TPG/iiNet/Internode) were required by the court to block the 'illegal' sites while others ISPs (including Vocus) were not required to take any action.


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