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  #1910600 29-Nov-2017 15:41
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vexxxboy:

 

Yet Netflix has a anti -piracy unit that does the same thing Sky is doing and yet not a peep.

 

 

 

 

Netflix isn't lobbying governments to change laws for this(afaik), just internally playing cat and mouse to meet their obligations to serve the content only to the markets they have agreed to.

 

 

 

I would point to the DVD market here being protected by law, blocking imports from grey markets(cheaper) for commercial resale to protect local distributors who hold the NZ rights. They have decent protection because it's a physical item being sold that can be seized at our border, digital is a completely different beast which as many have pointed out can be defeated by using a different DNS server or going further and using a VPN.

 

I can see such a law being passed eventually, especially if a large media company is lobbying for it. Look at how quick we changed the ERA to keep The Hobbit here, gutted protections for an entire industry. So say if 21st Century Fox say they won't fund Avatar's rumoured billion dollar budget for 4 more films being made here unless such a law is put in place it would happen imo.


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  #1910602 29-Nov-2017 15:47
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Put me down in category 2 with caveat.

 

 

 

2. People who don't like Sky, but begrudgingly subscribe at medium cost as it is the ONLY option to legally watch sport in godzone.

 

 

 

I'm only a SKY subscriber because I signed up to the telemarketer deal linked here. At that price I find it acceptable for the content I watch (Golf, Rugby, Motorsport). At full price I'd reconsider.


 
 
 
 


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  #1910605 29-Nov-2017 15:48
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loceff13:

 

vexxxboy:

 

Yet Netflix has a anti -piracy unit that does the same thing Sky is doing and yet not a peep.

 

 

 

 

Netflix isn't lobbying governments to change laws for this(afaik), just internally playing cat and mouse to meet their obligations to serve the content only to the markets they have agreed to.

 

 

 

I would point to the DVD market here being protected by law, blocking imports from grey markets(cheaper) for commercial resale to protect local distributors who hold the NZ rights. They have decent protection because it's a physical item being sold that can be seized at our border, digital is a completely different beast which as many have pointed out can be defeated by using a different DNS server or going further and using a VPN.

 

I can see such a law being passed eventually, especially if a large media company is lobbying for it. Look at how quick we changed the ERA to keep The Hobbit here, gutted protections for an entire industry. So say if 21st Century Fox say they won't fund Avatar's rumoured billion dollar budget for 4 more films being made here unless such a law is put in place it would happen imo.

 

 

 

 

no they are just lobbying Google to block sites that link to Netflix shows that can be watched online. Not a big difference.





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  #1910606 29-Nov-2017 15:54
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vexxxboy:

 

no they are just lobbying Google to block sites that link to Netflix shows that can be watched online. Not a big difference.

 

 

 

 

They are doing it under existing laws(ie DMCA)


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  #1910608 29-Nov-2017 15:57
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shk292:

 

There are at least two GZ users who seem to defend Sky's every move and think their business model is the only viable way kiwis will get sport on TV.

 

 

If Sky TV don't pay NZ Rugby the rumoured $40-$50ish million per year for rugby rights who will? I'd love to know your answer to this.

 

 


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  #1910609 29-Nov-2017 15:58
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vexxxboy:

 

no they are just lobbying Google to block sites that link to Netflix shows that can be watched online. Not a big difference.

 

 

No need to lobby Google, they've already removed 3 billion URLs as a result of take down requests. Netflix has just over 2.3 million requests https://transparencyreport.google.com/copyright/overview 


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  #1910613 29-Nov-2017 16:12
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sbiddle:

 

shk292:

 

There are at least two GZ users who seem to defend Sky's every move and think their business model is the only viable way kiwis will get sport on TV.

 

 

If Sky TV don't pay NZ Rugby the rumoured $40-$50ish million per year for rugby rights who will? I'd love to know your answer to this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not a biggie. NZ Rugby will learn to adapt and survive in a non-Sky world.


 
 
 
 


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  #1910615 29-Nov-2017 16:21
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dafman:

 

sbiddle:

 

shk292:

 

There are at least two GZ users who seem to defend Sky's every move and think their business model is the only viable way kiwis will get sport on TV.

 

 

If Sky TV don't pay NZ Rugby the rumoured $40-$50ish million per year for rugby rights who will? I'd love to know your answer to this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not a biggie. NZ Rugby will learn to adapt and survive in a non-Sky world.

 

 

How? Where will that lost revenue come from? How will they keep players before they all head overseas where they can get paid what they're worth?

 

You sound like a politician with one word answers!

 

 


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  #1910620 29-Nov-2017 16:34
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dafman:

 

sbiddle:

 

shk292:

 

There are at least two GZ users who seem to defend Sky's every move and think their business model is the only viable way kiwis will get sport on TV.

 

 

If Sky TV don't pay NZ Rugby the rumoured $40-$50ish million per year for rugby rights who will? I'd love to know your answer to this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not a biggie. NZ Rugby will learn to adapt and survive in a non-Sky world.

 

 

 

 

honestly i laughed when i read this. People have no clue how sports work in the real world





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  #1910624 29-Nov-2017 16:38
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Rugby will continue to be played in this country, players may only earn $1million instead of $10million if NZRU can't find $40-50 million.

 

We may not win every world cup and i'm ok with that. 

 

This gave me a good laugh. 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/99370235/sky-television-claims-win-in-piracy-fight-securing-interim-injunction

 

Its Kodi Whack a mole......baa haa haa haa 

 

 

 

 


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  #1910625 29-Nov-2017 16:39
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Maybe Rugby costs are not sustainable in NZ because of our population size, and if there's reducing interest, then costs per subscriber keep going up.

 

If the way Ruby is funded isn't sustainable, that's not something that should effect people that have minimal interest in it, the ones interested in it should pay.

 

 

 

Sky has for many years been able to spread this cost among it's users with other interests.

 

They are no longer able to do this, and are blaming the wrong reason their business is in decline.

 

Only problem now is them blaming other areas is causing costs on other companies that have nothing to do with Sky.

 

Lawyers will be doing well out of them.


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  #1910630 29-Nov-2017 16:44
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langi27:

 

Rugby will continue to be played in this country, players may only earn $1million instead of $10million if NZRU can't find $40-50 million.

 

We may not win every world cup and i'm ok with that. 

 

This gave me a good laugh. 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/99370235/sky-television-claims-win-in-piracy-fight-securing-interim-injunction

 

Its Kodi Whack a mole......baa haa haa haa 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rugby would only exist on a grassroots level, all our good players would be in Europe  and where do you get the idea that players earn 10 million, the million figure is still way to high . Even with the sky money Rugby in this country is just surviving. Most rugby boards run at huge loses and its only money that The Sky deal brings in that keeps rugby going.





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  #1910635 29-Nov-2017 16:50
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Hi can we keep this on topic and not turn it into yet another Sky/Rubgy/Cost thread.

 

This issue is about the erosion of net neutrality by using "copyright" as the justification. 





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  #1910637 29-Nov-2017 16:52
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Sorry but i could care less about rugby never have never will , If players want to go overseas then buy them a ticket and say see you when you get back. If sky has to rely on rugby to keep them going then sorry but having most of your eggs in one basket is and has always been a very poor business model. 





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  #1910638 29-Nov-2017 16:52
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vexxxboy:

 

langi27:

 

Rugby will continue to be played in this country, players may only earn $1million instead of $10million if NZRU can't find $40-50 million.

 

We may not win every world cup and i'm ok with that. 

 

This gave me a good laugh. 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/99370235/sky-television-claims-win-in-piracy-fight-securing-interim-injunction

 

Its Kodi Whack a mole......baa haa haa haa 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rugby would only exist on a grassroots level, all our good players would be in Europe  and where do you get the idea that players earn 10 million, the million figure is still way to high . Even with the sky money Rugby in this country is just surviving. Most rugby boards run at huge loses and its only money that The Sky deal brings in that keeps rugby going.

 

 

my example was a reference to 1/10.  Good players will still come through the ranks from grassroots, we might only have them for a couple years before they leave for Europe and i'm ok with that.

 

Rugby is a sport in decline because we live in a world where safety trumps everything, mum's and dads don't want their little johnny playing such a brutal game. The research is starting to show clear links between even the lightest impact on the head can cause long term brain damage. 

 

 

 

 


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