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Topic # 230272 16-Feb-2018 10:06
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Are there any other major ISPs doing this as of right now besides Vodafone?

 

and yes this is a direct quote from Vodafone account manager  "This is in preparation for Chorus phasing copper out in 2019"

 

yet its funny they are happy to sell us VDSL with their IP phone over same copper.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1958986 16-Feb-2018 10:11
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Copper is going to be around for a while yet, What Spark/Chorus are phasing out is the analogue phone network.


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  Reply # 1958993 16-Feb-2018 10:18
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Theyv'e probably had a directive that states 'no more wholesale voice sales, its DSL+VOIP or mobile

 

Given all the effort going on to replace wholesale voice ports with VOIP, not surprising. 





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  Reply # 1958998 16-Feb-2018 10:23
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dan:

 

Are there any other major ISPs doing this as of right now besides Vodafone?

 

and yes this is a direct quote from Vodafone account manager  "This is in preparation for Chorus phasing copper out in 2019"

 

yet its funny they are happy to sell us VDSL with their IP phone over same copper.

 

 

 

 

Copper isn't being scrapped. Spark are shutting down their NEAX's from 2020 that provide the PSTN service.

 

Vodafone have already started migrating customers from PSTN to VoIP, so have presumably made the decision not to do any more new installs.

 

Are there any other ISP's doing it? There are plenty who haven't offered PSTN connections for quite some time with all voice being VoIP.

 

With the shutdown some providers will just opt for RGW based VoIP, others will use baseband IP to deliver a psudeo PSTN solution from the cabinet or exchange.


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  Reply # 1959022 16-Feb-2018 11:06
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We stopped selling PTSN probably 2-3 years ago unless there was a super good reason VoIP wouldn't meet their requirements. We still connect standard copper to things like lift phones and a few big alarm systems that won't go to 3G easily.






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  Reply # 1959026 16-Feb-2018 11:07
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Vodafones approach to this frustrates me endlessly...

 

The expensive dying part of the network is being phased out in favour for a better option.

 

 

 

To Joe blogs, this translates to OMG Chorus/Spark is the devil! they are removing my services!!

 

Combine this was the media sensationalizing like they love to do and it's so misleading.

 

 

 

the BBIP migration changes aren't really that big of a difference.

 

I challenge anyone here on a BBIP PSTN line, to put up their hand and say they are on it.

 

Highly likely if you are on BBIP already, you won't know the difference.

 

 

 

 

 

Moving to RGW has it's perks, Don't think BBIP can do HD voice currently. but also massive drawbacks.

 

For customers, the ideal solution here would be a IW installation.





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  Reply # 1959058 16-Feb-2018 11:51
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Is there a reason you still want a PSTN line on your ADSL connection?

 

 


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Some industries have strict requirements around information transmission with fax still king as interception is physical and storage of the data during transmission unlikely. VOIP solutions present data sovereignty risks and storage potential. other methods aren't always compatible with the remote end so it's quite the problem. I know some are doing risk assessments on some VOIP fax solutions but it's a headache where every end user is required to look at and assess risk





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  Reply # 1959068 16-Feb-2018 12:07
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jjnz1:

 

Is there a reason you still want a PSTN line on your ADSL connection?

 

 

 

 

 

 

they wont sell ADSL either.

 

for there are reasons, but they are not deal breakers or anything

 

 

 

i was more annoyed as them claiming the copper shuts down in 2019 as the reason for them forcing the change

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1959088 16-Feb-2018 12:44
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What do you think will happen in 2020 when copper is deregulated in fibre areas?


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  Reply # 1959125 16-Feb-2018 13:19
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DarkShadow:

 

What do you think will happen in 2020 when copper is deregulated in fibre areas?

 

 

Chorus will keep selling it (albeit at a higher price) until the costs of running the copper network becomes more than the revenue it brings in.


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Chorus issued a directive that from Feb1 no new ADSL services could be ordered unless there is no VDSL or ADSL2+ available on the same dslam. 

 

Many ISPs dont have the handovers for the old ATM network and only have ethernet handovers for ADSL2 / VDSL so it doesn't surprise me that vodafone have stopped selling it.   

 

It brings them down in the speedtest result tables too. 





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  Reply # 1959387 16-Feb-2018 23:08
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Chorus issued a directive that from Feb1 no new ADSL services could be ordered unless there is no VDSL or ADSL2+ available on the same dslam. 


Many ISPs dont have the handovers for the old ATM network and only have ethernet handovers for ADSL2 / VDSL so it doesn't surprise me that vodafone have stopped selling it.   


It brings them down in the speedtest result tables too. 



What possible advantage do you get from ordering ADSL instead of ADSL2+? It makes no sense to me as to why anyone would want slower internet.





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Chorus issued a directive that from Feb1 no new ADSL services could be ordered unless there is no VDSL or ADSL2+ available on the same dslam. 


Many ISPs dont have the handovers for the old ATM network and only have ethernet handovers for ADSL2 / VDSL so it doesn't surprise me that vodafone have stopped selling it.   


It brings them down in the speedtest result tables too. 



What possible advantage do you get from ordering ADSL instead of ADSL2+? It makes no sense to me as to why anyone would want slower internet.


Doesn't buba still hold slightly different regluations to euba....




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Aredwood:
raytaylor:

 

Chorus issued a directive that from Feb1 no new ADSL services could be ordered unless there is no VDSL or ADSL2+ available on the same dslam. 

 

 

 

Many ISPs dont have the handovers for the old ATM network and only have ethernet handovers for ADSL2 / VDSL so it doesn't surprise me that vodafone have stopped selling it.   

 

 

 

It brings them down in the speedtest result tables too. 

 



What possible advantage do you get from ordering ADSL instead of ADSL2+? It makes no sense to me as to why anyone would want slower internet.


Doesn't buba still hold slightly different regluations to euba....

 

BUBA is a rather different animal to EUBA, once you look at product specs and backhaul. EUBA is regulated to not be congested now (congested = over 95% for more than 5 mins, they need to report on it over 80%, does not include ISAM's on DMR - only fibre fed ones). EUBA is better in every way to BUBA as far as I am aware.

 

BUBA is also goneburger (mostly) - no new connections on ISAMs as of 1 Feb. That leaves around 400 legacy cabinets that only support BUBA.

 

https://sp.chorus.co.nz/product-update/grandfathering-adsl-basic-uba-isam-equipment

 

I think comparing ADSL and ADSL 2+ with BUBA and EUBA is not totally correct. You can have EUBA and it will sync ADSL1 if you hard set it or have an old modem.

 

I think the main driver is Chorus are replacing there old faults and provisioning systems with a new ones and won't be adding legacy stuff (like BUBA) to it I assume. They are also turning on lots of smarts on the ISAMs, like ddDLM, hopefully VDSL vectoring and G.INP


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  Reply # 1959650 17-Feb-2018 17:30
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dan:

 

Are there any other major ISPs doing this as of right now besides Vodafone?

 

and yes this is a direct quote from Vodafone account manager  "This is in preparation for Chorus phasing copper out in 2019"

 

yet its funny they are happy to sell us VDSL with their IP phone over same copper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I had a major problem with this that has gone on for 5 months. No warning, just not available .

 

It's such BS, it's a sales generating thing. Copper isn't being phased out for ages, and another 2 year contract wouldn't hurt anyone, but they wouldn't do it. 

 

 


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