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  Reply # 1959670 17-Feb-2018 18:51
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BUBA is a rather different animal to EUBA, once you look at product specs and backhaul. EUBA is regulated to not be congested now (congested = over 95% for more than 5 mins, they need to report on it over 80%, does not include ISAM's on DMR - only fibre fed ones). EUBA is better in every way to BUBA as far as I am aware.

 

BUBA is also goneburger (mostly) - no new connections on ISAMs as of 1 Feb. That leaves around 400 legacy cabinets that only support BUBA.

 

https://sp.chorus.co.nz/product-update/grandfathering-adsl-basic-uba-isam-equipment

 

I think comparing ADSL and ADSL 2+ with BUBA and EUBA is not totally correct. You can have EUBA and it will sync ADSL1 if you hard set it or have an old modem.

 

I think the main driver is Chorus are replacing there old faults and provisioning systems with a new ones and won't be adding legacy stuff (like BUBA) to it I assume. They are also turning on lots of smarts on the ISAMs, like ddDLM, hopefully VDSL vectoring and G.INP

 

 

Not to mention the ATM core network that BUBA runs on is run by Spark - and they want to get rid of it because it's so obsolete.

 

 


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  Reply # 1959713 17-Feb-2018 20:41
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Are there any other major ISPs doing this as of right now besides Vodafone?

 

and yes this is a direct quote from Vodafone account manager  "This is in preparation for Chorus phasing copper out in 2019"

 

yet its funny they are happy to sell us VDSL with their IP phone over same copper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I had a major problem with this that has gone on for 5 months. No warning, just not available .

 

It's such BS, it's a sales generating thing. Copper isn't being phased out for ages, and another 2 year contract wouldn't hurt anyone, but they wouldn't do it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah it is BS about them saying copper is being removed.

 

However Vodafone are within there right not to sell a service, such as POTS. If you want POTS you will need to go to someone else.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1959715 17-Feb-2018 20:46
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atomeara:

 

 

 

BUBA is a rather different animal to EUBA, once you look at product specs and backhaul. EUBA is regulated to not be congested now (congested = over 95% for more than 5 mins, they need to report on it over 80%, does not include ISAM's on DMR - only fibre fed ones). EUBA is better in every way to BUBA as far as I am aware.

 

BUBA is also goneburger (mostly) - no new connections on ISAMs as of 1 Feb. That leaves around 400 legacy cabinets that only support BUBA.

 

https://sp.chorus.co.nz/product-update/grandfathering-adsl-basic-uba-isam-equipment

 

I think comparing ADSL and ADSL 2+ with BUBA and EUBA is not totally correct. You can have EUBA and it will sync ADSL1 if you hard set it or have an old modem.

 

I think the main driver is Chorus are replacing there old faults and provisioning systems with a new ones and won't be adding legacy stuff (like BUBA) to it I assume. They are also turning on lots of smarts on the ISAMs, like ddDLM, hopefully VDSL vectoring and G.INP

 

 

Not to mention the ATM core network that BUBA runs on is run by Spark - and they want to get rid of it because it's so obsolete.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, will be interesting to see what happens here, they are reducing the size of the ATM network at the moment.

 

I do wonder if Spark sell or give it to Chorus to run.

 

I am pretty sure Chorus can not withdrawal BUBA service from areas that currently have it. Ditto with legacy voice CMAR / Country Set, etc


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  Reply # 1959717 17-Feb-2018 20:49
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Good. Now it will force places to get more modern gear.

 

I assume the same complaints happened when the old post office stopped selling telex service.





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  Reply # 1959726 17-Feb-2018 21:07
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Good. Now it will force places to get more modern gear.

 

I assume the same complaints happened when the old post office stopped selling telex service.

 

 

Newer doesn't always mean better, just like technology doesn't always improve every process. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1959735 17-Feb-2018 21:25
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I'm fairly sure that Vodafone aka Ex TelstraClear still have a lot of EUBA capable services connected to ISAMs on BUBA. All up after the latest round of Chorus cabinet upgrades I think there will be around 4k customers left on ATM/ASAMs.

At some point "Someone" will need to say it's no longer available or supportable. Yes there will be grumpy people. But it's insanity in my view to keep the network creaking along knowing full well with a number of critical components if they failed then the whole network would be toast as there are no more replacement parts. Especially in the management stack.

Just needs Chorus or the government to get behind it.





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  Reply # 1959741 17-Feb-2018 22:01
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BarTender:

At some point "Someone" will need to say it's no longer available or supportable. Yes there will be grumpy people. But it's insanity in my view to keep the network creaking along knowing full well with a number of critical components if they failed then the whole network would be toast as there are no more replacement parts. Especially in the management stack.

 

Doesnt that also describe the neax gear too?





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  Reply # 1959761 18-Feb-2018 01:20
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Doesnt that also describe the neax gear too?

 

 

I think all the third world countries have finally dumped their NEAX systems, so the spare parts market is drying up and they cant order any more to keep them going.   

 

So with spark and others switching customers to voip, this could potentially make spare parts available for a few more years as they switch off the local excess. 





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  Reply # 1959838 18-Feb-2018 11:33
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Interestingly, I don't recall any recent "slow internet" threads where the problem turned out to be caused by a Conklin.

Have enough customers switched to RBI, as well as enough cabinet upgrades. That the remaining people on a Conklin are now getting better speeds?





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  Reply # 1959887 18-Feb-2018 13:46
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BarTender: I'm fairly sure that Vodafone aka Ex TelstraClear still have a lot of EUBA capable services connected to ISAMs on BUBA. All up after the latest round of Chorus cabinet upgrades I think there will be around 4k customers left on ATM/ASAMs.

At some point "Someone" will need to say it's no longer available or supportable. Yes there will be grumpy people. But it's insanity in my view to keep the network creaking along knowing full well with a number of critical components if they failed then the whole network would be toast as there are no more replacement parts. Especially in the management stack.

Just needs Chorus or the government to get behind it.

 

TCL also were the biggest investor in LLU and ADSL2+ directly, bypassing the Chorus and Spark networks but for the copper line. I can't recall if VDSL was ever turned on or Voda had acquired by that point.





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- NEAX's will be gone by around 2020, I would not be suprised if it takes a bit long but they are going.

 

- Vodafone is moving as many customers as it can to VDSL, then moving everyone onto the ATA builtin into there router and doing away with POTS service (which is what this thread was started about). 

 

- I think Chorus have to give 12 months to fully grandfather a service such as BUBA on ISAMs.

 

- Many people have moved to RBI but some areas are stuck on BUBA cabinets because there is no coverage. Few spots around rural Auckland like this

 

- I suspect post 2020 UCLL Chorus will have the option to withdrawal UCLL, as with copper in UFB areas, both of these are pending a law change and just because Chorus can doesn't mean they will or will everywhere. They have already said there are copper lines that need to be replaced and would have been replaced in there normal life cycle program but they are not replacing them because there is fibre (this is about 20,000 connections) https://sp.chorus.co.nz/product-update/migrating-high-fault-customers-fibre

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1960048 18-Feb-2018 20:27
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TCL also were the biggest investor in LLU and ADSL2+ directly, bypassing the Chorus and Spark networks but for the copper line. I can't recall if VDSL was ever turned on or Voda had acquired by that point.

 

 

 

 

rare but were/are a few LLU VDSL links on vodafones end

 

 





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