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  #2055989 13-Jul-2018 21:36
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703:

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703: Wow, so I don't need a ISP supplied router? Or is Chorus using one without all these Layer 3 and WiFi features.   4x4 MIMO is impressive for an ONT.   XS-240W-A and XS-250WX-A indoor ONTs provide the following functions


 


Fun fact, the current ones also have support for wireless.


Weather chorus use this or not is a totally different thing.



So the hardware is inside every Chorus ONT box?


 



No. The ONTs we are deploying today (Type 100 and Type 200 printed by the [old] Chorus logo) are not wireless hardware at all.

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  #2055998 13-Jul-2018 22:08
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BMarquis:

No. The ONTs we are deploying today (Type 100 and Type 200 printed by the [old] Chorus logo) are not wireless hardware at all.

 

knew the hardware itself wasn't the model with the hardware inside for the older models, assumed due to the pricebook the newer ones had it though..

 

 

 

Haven't had a poke around in the newer one yet...





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  #2056024 13-Jul-2018 23:55
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hio77:

 

BMarquis:

No. The ONTs we are deploying today (Type 100 and Type 200 printed by the [old] Chorus logo) are not wireless hardware at all.

 

knew the hardware itself wasn't the model with the hardware inside for the older models, assumed due to the pricebook the newer ones had it though..

 

 

 

Haven't had a poke around in the newer one yet...

 

 

The pricebook has included the wireless option since the first edition, don't think they've implemented that yet.


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  #2056119 14-Jul-2018 11:29
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BMarquis:

No. The ONTs we are deploying today (Type 100 and Type 200 printed by the [old] Chorus logo) are not wireless hardware at all.

 

knew the hardware itself wasn't the model with the hardware inside for the older models, assumed due to the pricebook the newer ones had it though..

 

Haven't had a poke around in the newer one yet...

 

 

My personal view is WiFi in an ONT is an incredibly stupid idea. Now all of a sudden you have gone from the LFC being a pure service provider of Layer 2 services to being the full stack provider.

 

If it's similar to how the ALu ONTs work with their ATA then you have to configure it using TR-069 and have various idiosyncrasies you must overcome to provision service all the while not being able to have true control over the ONT itself or ability to upgrade the firmware should you find an issue. Today as a ISP you can't reboot the ONT so if the ATA or Broadband has issues then all you can do is ask the customer to reboot.

 

Lastly the LFCs would also need to increase their per-unit cost of the ONT by x unless the hardware provider included them in for free (yeah right!) for a service that only a percentage of ISPs would take up.

 

I can see a lot more sense offering it as a value-add "should" ISPs want it, but then you have the truck roll to swap out the ONT including moving the fibre.

 

Sure it means one less box in the customer property. But that box can't be easily moved to improve your wireless coverage if the previous owner / tenant / LFC installer put it in the wrong place vs moving / replacing the RGW and running a new CAT6 cable from the RGW to the ONT.





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  #2056123 14-Jul-2018 11:51
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Or it could be enabled to allow another product in the house like a smart alarm system etc to get monitoring that the alarm co could pay for, it could be used to mesh to other ONTs that it can see to report optical failures, plenty of good use cases for a wifi interface in the thing, and its not like they are that pricy for the slow ones. The 4x4 ac one might add a few bucks, but IMO for management or for IOT uses being able to effortlyessly provision another interface for smart devices is a good thing in something like that.





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  #2056129 14-Jul-2018 12:06
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Or it could be enabled to allow another product in the house like a smart alarm system etc to get monitoring that the alarm co could pay for, it could be used to mesh to other ONTs that it can see to report optical failures, plenty of good use cases for a wifi interface in the thing, and its not like they are that pricy for the slow ones. The 4x4 ac one might add a few bucks, but IMO for management or for IOT uses being able to effortlyessly provision another interface for smart devices is a good thing in something like that.

 

 

That's an even worse idea (sorry) IMHO. So now you have the LFCs becoming retail providers for the HVAC/Alarm/Power Meter Monitoring/IoT market only. Where you would still be wholly dependent on the ONT vs Alarm/IoT device placement to get coverage for a mission critical service that isn't battery backed up. Plus since the UFB uptake is ~50% you now have 50% of people who don't have the right ONT and the truck rolls to swap them out.

 

If the LFCs wanted to do that they should have offered it day one with a market already wanting to consume it with an anchor tenant. And ideally with dual independent radios so that one network could be use for low bandwidth and another with wifi for Internet services. Unless you're saying that LFCs should also become RSPs/ISPs? Or have one RSP like Spark offer and manage the whole lot. Plus you should also mandate UPS/Battery Backup for the ONT if it's doing Alarm or anything that needs constant up-time with the fun of battery life-cycle management that comes along with that.





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  #2056131 14-Jul-2018 12:09
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They could just provide wholesale additional services to the likes of st johns, or the other one whose name I forget at the moment, and have the connection terminate on the wifi device that they provision with WPA details similar at setup time. Not retail to those companies at all, similar to the second ethernet port services but wifi.





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Or it could be enabled to allow another product in the house like a smart alarm system etc to get monitoring that the alarm co could pay for, it could be used to mesh to other ONTs that it can see to report optical failures, plenty of good use cases for a wifi interface in the thing, and its not like they are that pricy for the slow ones. The 4x4 ac one might add a few bucks, but IMO for management or for IOT uses being able to effortlyessly provision another interface for smart devices is a good thing in something like that.

 

 

management of the ont, centrally done rather than anyone sticking their hand in makes a heck of a lot more sense.

 

 

 

IoT, this is what with have Lora, M1 etc for..





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  #2056135 14-Jul-2018 12:24
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They could just provide wholesale additional services to the likes of st johns, or the other one whose name I forget at the moment, and have the connection terminate on the wifi device that they provision with WPA details similar at setup time. Not retail to those companies at all, similar to the second ethernet port services but wifi.

 

 

The ONT itself is a very dumb switch running a super cut down linux and a 4 port switch with a single CPU and some control backplane. So the Voice ATAs are an integrated component where you have some cut-down remote management. Unless you build the wifi component segregated between each RSP and allow them to reboot the wifi remotely without touching the rest of the ONT either with separate CPUs / power management.

 

Otherwise the LFC would need to build a ONT management portal with APIs to allow an abstracted view into the ONT or OLT management stack and not giving the RSPs full control over it. All of that B2B stuff costs real money and is complex to deploy and manage.

 

I can see some sense IF the ONT did PoE on their 4 ports then someone could come along and plug a wifi poe adapter into ONT Port 2 and such like. Yes that makes sense, that way the demarcation of duty and management is pretty easy. Provision L2 service to supplier and then enable PoE on port 2.

 

The issue is doing Voice in the ATA is complex enough and trust me there is a HEAP of complexity in that space with Chorus and their DHCP & TR-069 fun. All the other LFCs as a RSP you provision the SIP credentials into their B2B Customer Portal and hope they get it right down to the right ONT. Adding WiFi ontop to me sounds like a whole extra step in pain and suffering.

 

 





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I just want an ONT that integrates well with battery backup. The Chorus ONT has battery status LED indicators, but what happened to the rest?

 

 


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I just want an ONT that integrates well with battery backup. The Chorus ONT has battery status LED indicators, but what happened to the rest?

 

 

 


What lights are these? I've never seen anything saying battery...

 

 





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  #2056807 16-Jul-2018 08:33

 

About time, enterprises have been overpaying for DFA for a long long time just to get 10Gbps.

 

 

 

 

Compared to pretty much every other developed country our DFAS pricing is fantastic. Try getting a DFAS in Australia and see how far you get.


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According to latest Chorus roadmap, a new ONT is coming out this year, and 10G will be out next year.

 

https://sp.chorus.co.nz/sites/default/files/files/Product%20Roadmap%20Design_Aug18_0.pdf

 

 


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  #2077459 22-Aug-2018 14:46
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The Trial only works in the CICIL Lab connections, so ISP's test office connections.

 

They are not out in the wild yet.


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Is the trial still going? Would be keen to jump in. And is there a time frame for when this might become available? 





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