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Reply # 2084475 5-Sep-2018 18:15

This is the common little 1Gb/s ONT guy I'm talking about ... no jacks for phone services, just fiber in (on it's backside, 12VDC-power in and WAN out). You could even supply it remotely via PoE backed by UPS from the IT cupboard (I do).

You'll find it in each flat/house with FTTH regardless of the ISP's plan since his stuff (router h/w, IPTV, PBX, whatever paid/unpaid services) doesn't start before the WAN RJ-45 Link. When you are a granny which possibly refuses to have the full blown internet stuff, that's the point where an ATA for VoIP is connected to and all is done for fiber.

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Reply # 2084479 5-Sep-2018 18:34

So you are not actually based in NZ? That does not look like a NZ ONT

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Reply # 2084482 5-Sep-2018 18:44

ResponseMediaNZ:

So you are not actually based in NZ? That does not look like a NZ ONT

Correct, it's not NZ (custom Huawei technology with RSP's own outer design). But technology/technical realization and problems I read here are quite similar. I just like to point out that other solutions are possible when not completely driven by profit only and must be ruled/supervised by the state's telecom authorities. Otherwise and I fully agree with @michaelmurfy things will go worse at a certain point. ... and they undoubtly TRY to lock you in.

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Reply # 2084499 5-Sep-2018 19:19

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I love it every time @tinkerisk posts something and everyone here is wayyyyyyy to quick to jump the gun and say things can't happen. I see almost every reply in this thread alone he clearly said I am not in NZ and in Germany. I find that quite interesting as well how they work there. Sounds like the RSP is Chorus to us and ISP is your VF, Spark etc here.

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Reply # 2084513 5-Sep-2018 19:27

Tinkerisk:

This is the common little 1Gb/s ONT guy I'm talking about ... no jacks for phone services, just fiber in (on it's backside, 12VDC-power in and WAN out). You could even supply it remotely via PoE backed by UPS from the IT cupboard (I do).

You'll find it in each flat/house with FTTH regardless of the ISP's plan since his stuff (router h/w, IPTV, PBX, whatever paid/unpaid services) doesn't start before the WAN RJ-45 Link. When you are a granny which possibly refuses to have the full blown internet stuff, that's the point where an ATA for VoIP is connected to and all is done for fiber.

We (spark) make extensive use of the voice over fibre services on the ONT, it works pretty rock solid.

It can be remotely re-provisioned etc, so not like your missing the over the air ability to resolve issues and being it's in the ONT itself. the customer can't bugger with the settings!

i personally prefer the fibre setup over our Voice service for FWA currently.

It's just... simpler.

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Reply # 2084515 5-Sep-2018 19:34

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Coil:

I find that quite interesting as well how they work there. Sounds like the RSP is Chorus to us and ISP is your VF, Spark etc here.

You got it. My message is really far away from 'we do it better than you'. It's more like 'think twice - we were at that point struggling with the many EU states with their different rules to find the best for the citizens (the British people have gone sad with the rule-finding in general ). So here they are more busy at that time to establish the RSP-infrastructure to enlarge the coverage of IPv6 for the future. Since we have up to 250Mb/s via copper for all (if feasible, otherwise 100Mb/s via hybrid or satelites for the remotes), there is no #1 priority for FTTH (for all) but for sure highly welcome as well.

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Reply # 2084516 5-Sep-2018 19:36

703:

Surely the Telco's are on the race to the bottom. Instead of rewarding long term customers with discounts, they are encouraging customers to switch providers every 12 months to get sign-up package deals.

Discounts on stuff they are already loosing their shirt on?

The one's which switch every 12 months are the same customers an ISP will lose money on. So why bother? Let them go.

Another month, another internet bill. I simply don't care.

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Reply # 2084519 5-Sep-2018 19:45

hio77:

It's just... simpler.

... for you (spark). The alternative would be: provide this 20-30$ Cisco SPA112 with your setup and all done.

Honestly - nothing keeps you away from leaving the ONT what it really should be - just a plain, transparent, bridging fiber to ethernet modem and do all service you ever like to offer (and can be refused by customer) after that. It's so easy to sort out the services at router level (i.e. via VLAN tagging or service ports).

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Reply # 2084599 5-Sep-2018 22:18

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Tinkerisk:
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Supplying data is easy, it's just inbound packets without any quality of service. Voice is MUCH MUCH more complex to do properly with QoS and prioritisation of Voice over the Data so you d. Hence why RSPs don't like anyone plugging any old random SIP client into their managed VoIP stack having the expectation that it would work.

Easy to solve: There is a list of recommended/preferred VoIP equipment compiled by the RSP. That's service - and not to establish a paid hotline where customers raise the same questions each and every day.

You mean like https://www.wxc.co.nz/residential/hardware/analogue-telephony-adaptors/
So WXC provide exactly what you are talking about in NZ. You've already said you are in Germany. But what you seem to be annoyed about is your chosen RSP doesn't provide what you want. Thankfully you have a choice, so make it.

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Reply # 2084613 5-Sep-2018 22:52

MichaelNZ:

703:

Surely the Telco's are on the race to the bottom. Instead of rewarding long term customers with discounts, they are encouraging customers to switch providers every 12 months to get sign-up package deals.

Discounts on stuff they are already loosing their shirt on?

The one's which switch every 12 months are the same customers an ISP will lose money on. So why bother? Let them go.

Another month, another internet bill. I simply don't care.

My point is if ISP's have loyalty programmes, then there will be less churn, and more profit for them since massive discounting to attract new customers is way more costly than some discounting for loyal customers.

But NZ ISP's are playing the race to zero game - i.e. lets out cheap each other and make no money. And also playing lets spend big and build our own layer 1 network.

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Reply # 2084626 5-Sep-2018 23:12

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BarTender:
You mean like https://www.wxc.co.nz/residential/hardware/analogue-telephony-adaptors/
So WXC provide exactly what you are talking about in NZ. You've already said you are in Germany. But what you seem to be annoyed about is your chosen RSP doesn't provide what you want. Thankfully you have a choice, so make it.

Oh come on. You're just sour you can't (and potentially never will) get UFB ;)

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Reply # 2084630 5-Sep-2018 23:24

BarTender: But what you seem to be annoyed about is your chosen RSP doesn't provide what you want.

All done but the issue was vodafone (ISP) who didn't pass the SIP account of their SIP Server and still refuse to establish IPv6 with their servers as well. The RSP supplied everything from the beginning except servers :-)

It all came up when I got a Gigaset DECT IP phone as a gift to be added to the "all inclusive router" of vodafone one year ago. After the change I have an analog fax, an analog wired phone, 6 DECT IP phones and 10 different phone SIP accounts working without any issue.

I never asked vodafone for any customer service, I just asked for the credentials for my vodafone SIP accounts (to link the new IP phone to a spare phone number behind the router I got from vodafone) and "when would IPv6 be implemented." Their answer made me cancel the plan after years.

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Reply # 2084633 5-Sep-2018 23:39

michaelmurfy:

Oh come on. You're just sour you can't (and potentially never will) get UFB ;)

Huh??? I have UFB - just in case you refer to me. Or do you mean that Bartender should remove the outdated Ookla speed test results?

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Reply # 2084693 6-Sep-2018 08:17

Interesting!

So they're proposing to use the second spare fibre, with a second ONT installed and Chorus will leave there's in place.

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Reply # 2084741 6-Sep-2018 10:04

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Tinkerisk:

BarTender: But what you seem to be annoyed about is your chosen RSP doesn't provide what you want.

All done but the issue was vodafone (ISP) who didn't pass the SIP account of their SIP Server and still refuse to establish IPv6 with their servers as well. The RSP supplied everything from the beginning except servers :-)

It all came up when I got a Gigaset DECT IP phone as a gift to be added to the "all inclusive router" of vodafone one year ago. After the change I have an analog fax, an analog wired phone, 6 DECT IP phones and 10 different phone SIP accounts working without any issue.

I never asked vodafone for any customer service, I just asked for the credentials for my vodafone SIP accounts (to link the new IP phone to a spare phone number behind the router I got from vodafone) and "when would IPv6 be implemented." Their answer made me cancel the plan after years.

Continuing with this Off Topic thread rather than talking about unbundling Fibre. I highly recommend you start a new thread in the Vodafone NZ forum assuming it is related

Vodafone would have NEVER supplied you the SIP Credentials for the Voice so you seem to be arguing a point that has never occurred in the past as it's a managed service.

I could use the same nonsense argument saying:

Why can't I get the KI and OPc for my SIM as I don't want to use the SIM Card you supply and want to use my own.
Why can't I use another router with my Wireless Broadband SIM card in any old router I want
Why can't I get the SIP credentials from Spark or other RSPs that have UFB Voice on the ONT

The reason is because that's how the product was built and supplied to the customers. If you don't like it go to another RSP that supplies the service you require, don't blame Vodafone or any other RSP for supplying the service they want to within the specifications they design. I'm not sure why this is so complicated.

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