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Topic # 242421 27-Oct-2018 18:49
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Myself and 25 other households zoned Rural Residential are at the end of a road on the edge of Dunedin's residential area. We're outside the UFB rollout zone. My neighbour is zoned R1 and gets UFB. 

 

The length of road that is out of zone is approx 580m. With 25 properties that's approx 1 property per 23m of road frontage. Compared to the R1 area (same road, but in zone) they are 1 property per 38m of road frontage along the road. While our sections of land are larger, the actual density of households per m of road frontage is actually greater. This is due to properties being behind other properties. 

 

We approached Chorus to get a quote for extending the UFB zone to include us all, but this came back at $520,833. While we are prepared to pay some costs (eg cover costs of on property trenching etc) paying half a million dollars is not feasible.

 

Who determines which properties are covered by UFB? Especially when our household density is about the same as the areas which are covered by govt funding? How likely is this to change in the near future? Eg would the govt/Chorus review the rollout plan and extend further? If we waited another couple of years would we eventually get a free connection? Or is it never going to happen if we don't take matters into our own hands? Chorus map out to 2022 shows nothing for us. 


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  Reply # 2115107 27-Oct-2018 18:52
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Crown fibre holdings I think it's called

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  Reply # 2115111 27-Oct-2018 19:08
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Ultimately the political will of our govt determines how far UFB may be extended in the future. Under National, it was extended twice to what we'll see by 2022.

 

As for your particular situation, if they decided to extend it for your scenario, they'd have to do it for everyone else in a similar situation. I'm not saying they shouldn't do so, but they need to determine the cost/benefit ratio.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2115113 27-Oct-2018 19:11
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Unfortunately there needs to be a cutoff to the fibre rollout somewhere, and it sounds like you're just outside the cutoff. Maybe band together with your neighbours and see what you can come up with. Otherwise, what broadband have you got right now? ADSL? VDSL? Wireless?




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  Reply # 2115114 27-Oct-2018 19:14
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I agree, there needs to be a cutoff somewhere. No point running fibre through the backcountry where there is 1 property per 5km+. But just stopping based on zoning I'm not a fan of. Especially when we're technically denser than the R1 properties further up the road. I'd also be happy for those that are greater than x metres from the street to pay for your own trenching. 

 

Have already banded together with neighbours, but at half a million dollars we cannot afford that. 

 

What we have now is ADSL2, getting about 12mbit. No VDSL here either. Wireless options are no faster and more expensive. 


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  Reply # 2115189 27-Oct-2018 20:49
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Whereabouts is this in Dunedin, ie, what street?




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  Reply # 2115190 27-Oct-2018 20:53
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Hillhead Road.


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  Reply # 2115218 27-Oct-2018 21:31
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Ah right. If you're at the southern (western) end, I can see why fibre isn't available there - looks rather rural, lots of lifestyle blocks, etc.


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  Reply # 2115222 27-Oct-2018 21:43
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Eventually it will get extended. Partly as it won't make much sense on spending money on maintaining the copper network. When that same money could be spent on rolling out UFB.

Part of the problem, is that Chorus is not yet allowed to withdraw copper service's where UFB is available. In 2020 they will be allowed to do so. Which will massively improve the returns of extending the UFB network. As the build costs can be offset against avoiding the need to spend money on the copper network.

Unfortunately you would still need to wait for the already announced UFB areas to be built. Can you setup a fixed wireless link from an area that does have UFB in the meantime?





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  Reply # 2115227 27-Oct-2018 22:08
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Yes but (if my guess is to where he is is correct) it won't be extended to many rural areas, if any - and this looks like a rural(-ish) area.


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  Reply # 2115232 27-Oct-2018 22:29
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Have you talked to your MP and councilor yet?




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  Reply # 2115253 27-Oct-2018 23:47
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Spoken to MP. They said the pricing we were quoted sounds about typical for Chorus and don't have any other real suggestions. 

 

Yes we are on lifestyle blocks (ruralish), but if you look at the number of properties per 100m of road frontage, it's not that much different. 25 for 580m (lifestyle blocks) vs 15 houses for 580m in the residential zone (about 25 as well if you pretended the soccer field wasn't there). Same density, yet they are funded and we are not. 

 

Wireless to neighbour is a backup plan, but I'd really far prefer my own connection. Otherwise relying on them not to move house, plus all the other related issues of getting access when outage problems etc. 


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  Reply # 2115274 28-Oct-2018 06:47
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Looks like you and the neighbors are going to have to put a kitty fund together sorry

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  Reply # 2115355 28-Oct-2018 12:02
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It wont be based on anything to do with council mapping. 

 

Its purely a combination of 
1) What sounds like good publicity to get the deal with the government
2) Houses passed per metre of drilling and also a consideration that a metre of drilling has more of a return when it leads to more houses, not necessarily the number of houses past in the nearby vicinity. 
3) Other utilities in the area, road crossings, traffic control etc. 

 

As you get further from the town centre, the other aspects like traffic control become more important considerations. 





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  Reply # 2115361 28-Oct-2018 12:18
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My understanding is that when individual's have asked for quotes for getting fibre outside UFB, it's usually been well into the tens of thousands.. your quote from Chorus works out at about 20k per house so it would appear they are already offering you a good price.





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  Reply # 2115369 28-Oct-2018 12:45
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