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  Reply # 2115995 29-Oct-2018 11:40
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Sounds like typical Neo-Liberal economics bull to say it's "not cost effective" when you compare it to the copper network that was built 50-60 years ago.

 

The copper network was deemed a worthwhile investment back then, it far exceeds the extent of the final UFB network.

 

And all built with a population half the size of today's to pay for it. 

 

87% coverage is very unambitious if you ask me. The Government should be pushing for more.

 

I don't buy the idea that connecting houses at 100-150m intervals isn't cost effective when they'll be milking it for access fees for the next 50yrs+.

 

Yes, its more expensive than a driveway every 20-30m in the burbs. But there must be ways to keep the cost to a minimum such as fibre on power poles rather than thrusting/ducts etc.


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  Reply # 2116013 29-Oct-2018 11:53
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Early days yet as a lot of urban areas in NZ are still without it and are marked on the map as 2019. They wont extend the UFB areas until the current areas are much closer to being completed which is still some time away.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2116020 29-Oct-2018 12:00
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Just looking at the map, the distance of the house from the road could be some of the issues too. 400m to a rear property from the road isn't exactly like doing a rear property on a subdivided 1/4acre block like suburbia is now.

 

 

 

evilengineer:

 

I don't buy the idea that connecting houses at 100-150m intervals isn't cost effective when they'll be milking it for access fees for the next 50yrs+.

 

Yes, its more expensive than a driveway every 20-30m in the burbs

 

 

 

Except while the properties might be 100m apart, the dwelling is 400m from the road.... A lot more expensive than suburbia.

 

 

 

The joys of living "rural"!

 

You're lucky though, we don't even get a phone. Electricity only.


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  Reply # 2116025 29-Oct-2018 12:18
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blakamin:

 

The joys of living "rural"!

 

You're lucky though, we don't even get a phone. Electricity only.

 

 

rfc2549 still needs augmentation to use roos in aus;)





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  Reply # 2116038 29-Oct-2018 12:31
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hio77:

 

rfc2549 still needs augmentation to use roos in aus;)

 

 

laughing

 

Around here they could just use snakes instead of birds! Had 2 browns on friday (and a $800 trip to the vet for one of the dogs).

 

And if they are, someone just had 100% packet-loss.


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  Reply # 2116042 29-Oct-2018 12:37
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evilengineer:

 

Sounds like typical Neo-Liberal economics bull to say it's "not cost effective" when you compare it to the copper network that was built 50-60 years ago.

 

The copper network was deemed a worthwhile investment back then, it far exceeds the extent of the final UFB network.

 

And all built with a population half the size of today's to pay for it. 

 

87% coverage is very unambitious if you ask me. The Government should be pushing for more.

 

I don't buy the idea that connecting houses at 100-150m intervals isn't cost effective when they'll be milking it for access fees for the next 50yrs+.

 

Yes, its more expensive than a driveway every 20-30m in the burbs. But there must be ways to keep the cost to a minimum such as fibre on power poles rather than thrusting/ducts etc.

 

 

Who built the copper network? What was the purpose of that when built? Have a look at the differences between those two points then and now for copper build vs fibre build and you'll be a lot closer to understanding the issue.

 

Cheers  N


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  Reply # 2116207 29-Oct-2018 13:41
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Talkiet:

 

Who built the copper network? What was the purpose of that when built? Have a look at the differences between those two points then and now for copper build vs fibre build and you'll be a lot closer to understanding the issue.

 

Cheers  N

 

 

Paid for and built by the Government/Public Sector for the purposes of providing telecommunication services?

 

What's the difference? Except this time it's nominally paid for by the private sector with generous public subsidies.    


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  Reply # 2116222 29-Oct-2018 14:01
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evilengineer:

 

87% coverage is very unambitious if you ask me. The Government should be pushing for more.

 

 

Exactly how much more? In what areas? Can you provide cost estimates for your proposal?


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  Reply # 2116224 29-Oct-2018 14:06
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DarthKermit:

 

evilengineer:

 

87% coverage is very unambitious if you ask me. The Government should be pushing for more.

 

 

Exactly how much more? In what areas? Can you provide cost estimates for your proposal?

 

 

.000000001% if you ask me, chorus just need to fibre to my trees!





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  Reply # 2116240 29-Oct-2018 14:25
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DarthKermit:

 

evilengineer:

 

87% coverage is very unambitious if you ask me. The Government should be pushing for more.

 

 

Exactly how much more? In what areas? Can you provide cost estimates for your proposal?

 

 

Is that a job offer?

 

I'm more than happy to give it look.

 

Now, what was the salary for that unfilled Chief Technology Officer role again? laughing


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  Reply # 2116258 29-Oct-2018 14:37
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evilengineer:

 

Sounds like typical Neo-Liberal economics bull to say it's "not cost effective" when you compare it to the copper network that was built 50-60 years ago.

 

The copper network was deemed a worthwhile investment back then, it far exceeds the extent of the final UFB network.

 

And all built with a population half the size of today's to pay for it. 

 

87% coverage is very unambitious if you ask me. The Government should be pushing for more.

 

I don't buy the idea that connecting houses at 100-150m intervals isn't cost effective when they'll be milking it for access fees for the next 50yrs+.

 

Yes, its more expensive than a driveway every 20-30m in the burbs. But there must be ways to keep the cost to a minimum such as fibre on power poles rather than thrusting/ducts etc.

 

 

 

 

The two are simply not comparable. Most of the copper was built hodgepodge over many years, slowly expanding out to the coverage we have today. Conversely, the Fibre network is being rolled out relatively quickly with many properties being connected each day (800 installs a day last month).

 

 

 

There is a finite limit to the resources available and as such only so much can be done at once. At this stage we have schedule up to 2022. After that, who knows! However, at this stage, we are set for the next 3 years.

 

 

 

@ Delphinus: could you send us a private message with your address. I’ve had a quick look over the Fibre requests for Hillhead road and I’m not seeing anything even remotely that high. Just want to double check someone doesn’t have their wires crossed.
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  Reply # 2116315 29-Oct-2018 15:44
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Chorusnz:

 

@ Delphinus: could you send us a private message with your address. I’ve had a quick look over the Fibre requests for Hillhead road and I’m not seeing anything even remotely that high. Just want to double check someone doesn’t have their wires crossed.
^Richard

 

 

Thanks, have PM'd details.

 

 

 

To the earlier question:

 

Except while the properties might be 100m apart, the dwelling is 400m from the road.... A lot more expensive than suburbia.

 

 

Almost all the properties in my area have green conduit already in the ground, so that can be used to pull through the fibre. My neighbours and I are all very happy to cover our on-property costs. We don't have any fancy concrete driveways or footpaths that need to be replaced.

 

The most expensive part is just getting it available to the boundary. We'd getting quotes of $20k to extend one more property than is already covered by the rollout. Even when there is existing communal roadside Chorus ducting that can be used. No horizontal thrusting required.


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  Reply # 2116327 29-Oct-2018 15:57
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Chorusnz:

 

The two are simply not comparable. Most of the copper was built hodgepodge over many years, slowly expanding out to the coverage we have today. Conversely, the Fibre network is being rolled out relatively quickly with many properties being connected each day (800 installs a day last month).

 

There is a finite limit to the resources available and as such only so much can be done at once. At this stage we have schedule up to 2022. After that, who knows! However, at this stage, we are set for the next 3 years.

 

 

I'm all for hodge-podge. And no one said it needed to happen over night or even have the same 2022 end date.

 

How about a 10 year plan?

 

The UK government has promised "Fibre broadband to everyone by 2033".

 

They might have over promised there. But hey, you don't want to get left behind NZ! tongue-out


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  Reply # 2116329 29-Oct-2018 16:00
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2033, I may be dead by then


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  Reply # 2116331 29-Oct-2018 16:02
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evilengineer:

 

Chorusnz:

 

The two are simply not comparable. Most of the copper was built hodgepodge over many years, slowly expanding out to the coverage we have today. Conversely, the Fibre network is being rolled out relatively quickly with many properties being connected each day (800 installs a day last month).

 

There is a finite limit to the resources available and as such only so much can be done at once. At this stage we have schedule up to 2022. After that, who knows! However, at this stage, we are set for the next 3 years.

 

 

I'm all for hodge-podge. And no one said it needed to happen over night or even have the same 2022 end date.

 

How about a 10 year plan?

 

The UK government has promised "Fibre broadband to everyone by 2033".

 

They might have over promised there. But hey, you don't want to get left behind NZ! tongue-out

 

 

 

 

Don't forget this started rolling out in 2010 or 2011 in Schnapper rock Albany etc etc. It had a ten year plan back then, its just been 8 years.. And they have done a great job.

I understand how it can be, having fibre 1 house over but you can't get it. Funny that the chances are your VDSL or ADSL is still faster than most of this worlds connected houses... Anyway 





 


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