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  Reply # 2116403 29-Oct-2018 16:58
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Coil:

 

Don't forget this started rolling out in 2010 or 2011 in Schnapper rock Albany etc etc. It had a ten year plan back then, its just been 8 years.. And they have done a great job.

 

 

Totally agree. But the next ten year plan should be how to get up to 95% and beyond.

 

For starters, what will be the definition of "broadband" be in 10 years time?

 

Was 5Mbps when RBI started, now 10Mbps? The US currently has broadband classed as >25Mbps.

 

And how do you deliver that to rural and not-so-rural households to avoid a digital divide?

 

Coil:

 

I understand how it can be, having fibre 1 house over but you can't get it. Funny that the chances are your VDSL or ADSL is still faster than most of this worlds connected houses... Anyway 

 

 

Yes. First world problem, I know.

 

But as time goes on broadband speeds will become more a social cohesion issue than the right to watch Netflix at 4K. 


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  Reply # 2116420 29-Oct-2018 17:23
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We're not the UK. Much smaller population sparsely spread over an area larger than the UK. Not really comparable.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2116449 29-Oct-2018 19:00
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evilengineer:The UK government has promised "Fibre broadband to everyone by 2033".

 

 

 

Fibre Broadband in the UK is FTTC, not FTTH. Very few houses in the UK have FTTH. 


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  Reply # 2116466 29-Oct-2018 20:00
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I've grumbled about plenty of things in the NZ ISP/Telco market over the years, and yes some others still have it better than us, but we are so much better off than many other "first world" countries. Aussie's NBN is pretty much a tragic example of what NOT to do after becoming a political football, when their roll-out is finished most of them will still be worse off than we are now. I've got a mate in Melbourne, and not out in the wops, who has to wait several more years for his upgrade from ADSL to "NBN VDSL" The UK is another country where broadband has been a political football, virtually every UK government scraps the previous governments plan (none of which are as good as our UFB rollout from what I've seen), and consumers over there are suffering.  Most customers in the US have very little choice of provider, and pay high rates for connections inferior to ours, with no real hope of things improving for most of them.





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  Reply # 2116471 29-Oct-2018 20:46
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lxsw20:

 

evilengineer:The UK government has promised "Fibre broadband to everyone by 2033".

 

 

 

Fibre Broadband in the UK is FTTC, not FTTH. Very few houses in the UK have FTTH. 

 

 

This time they really do mean actual FTTH for everyone by 2033.

 

 

 

evilengineer:

 

Coil:

 

Don't forget this started rolling out in 2010 or 2011 in Schnapper rock Albany etc etc. It had a ten year plan back then, its just been 8 years.. And they have done a great job.

 

 

Totally agree. But the next ten year plan should be how to get up to 95% and beyond.

 

For starters, what will be the definition of "broadband" be in 10 years time?

 

Was 5Mbps when RBI started, now 10Mbps? The US currently has broadband classed as >25Mbps.

 

And how do you deliver that to rural and not-so-rural households to avoid a digital divide?

 

 

The government did set a target of 50Mbps for 99% of the population by 2025.


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  Reply # 2116473 29-Oct-2018 20:50
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DarkShadow:

 

This time they really do mean actual FTTH for everyone by 2033.

 

 

Assuming of course that the next government doesn't scrap it..





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  Reply # 2116478 29-Oct-2018 21:05
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about the UFB network, I'm just wanting:

 

     

  1. Some more data around long term plans. Would people like us ever be covered? Or will we always be in the "too far away, too hard" basket. 
  2. A fairer costing. If the govt is fronting up to cover 100% of the costs for the denser housing areas (many who don't even want it), why do the rest of us have to pay 10's of thousands to get connected. I'd be more than happy to pay the difference between a typical residential install, and me who has a slightly longer run from the street to my house. 

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  Reply # 2116480 29-Oct-2018 21:08
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Delphinus:

 

Chorusnz:

 

@ Delphinus: could you send us a private message with your address. I’ve had a quick look over the Fibre requests for Hillhead road and I’m not seeing anything even remotely that high. Just want to double check someone doesn’t have their wires crossed.
^Richard

 

 

Thanks, have PM'd details.

 

 

 

To the earlier question:

 

Except while the properties might be 100m apart, the dwelling is 400m from the road.... A lot more expensive than suburbia.

 

 

Almost all the properties in my area have green conduit already in the ground, so that can be used to pull through the fibre. My neighbours and I are all very happy to cover our on-property costs. We don't have any fancy concrete driveways or footpaths that need to be replaced.

 

The most expensive part is just getting it available to the boundary. We'd getting quotes of $20k to extend one more property than is already covered by the rollout. Even when there is existing communal roadside Chorus ducting that can be used. No horizontal thrusting required.

 

 

If there's no fibre running past the gate/near your properties however, there will be a charge for that. I suspect fibre is not near enough to you or simply doesn't run past your property currently, hence a large part of the cost you were quoted. You can have all the conduit in the world running up to your house, but if fibre isn't nearby on the road, it's not going to make any difference :(

 

Looking at Chorus's maps you should have ADSL2+ available?




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  Reply # 2116481 29-Oct-2018 21:11
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quickymart:

 

If there's no fibre running past the gate/near your properties however, there will be a charge for that. I suspect fibre is not near enough to you or simply doesn't run past your property currently, hence a large part of the cost you were quoted. You can have all the conduit in the world running up to your house, but if fibre isn't nearby on the road, it's not going to make any difference :(

 

Looking at Chorus's maps you should have ADSL2+ available?

 

 

Distance between my pillarbox and the nearest neighbour who has fibre is 29m. What do you define as "nearby"? 

 

Yes ADSL2 is available, get about 12mbit down. 


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  Reply # 2116482 29-Oct-2018 21:14
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I have seen cases where one person has fibre, and their neighbour literally next door doesn't. However, it would need to be extended to run past your gate (as I understand it) before you could tap into it.

 

Richard at Chorus should be able to confirm what you can get and any future expansion plans (at this stage).


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  Reply # 2116541 29-Oct-2018 23:53
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I live on the other side of the hill to OP from as far as I can see.

 

 

 

I use to be on unifone wifi which I found to be far better than ADSL (was getting 10-12mbit sync) even if it was slightly more expensive. and had vastly more upload speed than ADSL2

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2116608 30-Oct-2018 09:36
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DarkShadow:

 

The government did set a target of 50Mbps for 99% of the population by 2025.

 

 

Nice target. Is any serious work going towards achieving it?

 

The cynic would note that it's a target set by the previous government but someone's going to have to get a move on to achieve that in the next seven years.

 

I've not see the plans for a VDSL cabinet every 3km yet. laughing

 

Or perhaps they were hoping for some 5G pixie dust to sort it out.  


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  Reply # 2116635 30-Oct-2018 10:01
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evilengineer:

 

DarkShadow:

 

The government did set a target of 50Mbps for 99% of the population by 2025.

 

 

Nice target. Is any serious work going towards achieving it?

 

The cynic would note that it's a target set by the previous government but someone's going to have to get a move on to achieve that in the next seven years.

 

I've not see the plans for a VDSL cabinet every 3km yet. laughing

 

Or perhaps they were hoping for some 5G pixie dust to sort it out.  

 

 

 

 

According to Crown Infrastructure Partners it will be 99% of new Zealanders with access to fast broadband. 87% will be covered by UFB, with the remaining 12% covered by the rural broadband initiative. That’s upgrades to the existing copper network, rural Fibre and wireless.

 

 

 

You can read the full program here: https://www.crowninfrastructure.govt.nz/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/UFB-and-RBI-programmes-fact-sheet-7-March-2018.pdf

 

^Richard


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  Reply # 2116681 30-Oct-2018 10:51
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evilengineer:

 

DarkShadow:

 

The government did set a target of 50Mbps for 99% of the population by 2025.

 

 

Nice target. Is any serious work going towards achieving it?

 

The cynic would note that it's a target set by the previous government but someone's going to have to get a move on to achieve that in the next seven years.

 

I've not see the plans for a VDSL cabinet every 3km yet. laughing

 

Or perhaps they were hoping for some 5G pixie dust to sort it out.  

 

 

Needs to be closer than 3KM to be hitting 50mbit, ideally at that target you would want it about every 2km max with MDF layout being equal distance both ways (which really wouldn't happen)

 

 

 

in reality, alot of that target will be wireless based.

 

I see no expectations for unlimited or high datacaps within that target (although one would hope it's implied when they are expecting 4K/Multiple UHD streams to be possible)

 

 

 

Personally I'd love to see more done with Rural Fibre, it is a reasonable option but cost to entry just doesn't stack up generally.

 

Hopefully @Chorusnz can come up with a smart plan of how to curb that cost down a bit :)





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  Reply # 2116721 30-Oct-2018 12:12
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Chorusnz:

 

According to Crown Infrastructure Partners it will be 99% of new Zealanders with access to fast broadband. 87% will be covered by UFB, with the remaining 12% covered by the rural broadband initiative. That’s upgrades to the existing copper network, rural Fibre and wireless.

 

 

 

You can read the full program here: https://www.crowninfrastructure.govt.nz/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/UFB-and-RBI-programmes-fact-sheet-7-March-2018.pdf

 

^Richard

 

 

The fact sheet is pretty vague, to be honest.

 

Looks like most rural users (9% of total population) are supposed to be covered by RBI 1 already.

 

So how will that work if the definition of "fast broadband" is going to be 50Mbps when the original target for RBI was 5Mbps?

 

And what's the exact definition of this 50Mbps target anyway?

 

Is that 50Mbps at 05:30 or 20:00?

 

There could be a lot of drop off relying on cell towers in some of these more densely populated "rural" areas with lots of lifestyle blocks.  


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