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  # 2154416 4-Jan-2019 14:58
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Fortunately you have a good internet connection, 22Mb/s is great and will be sufficient for years to come. You may not be able to download a movie in under 2 minutes but heck, can do anything in an instant..

I would appreciate to see how your farm and others can justify expanding a fibre network that can cost 6-7 figures per single KM with your economic contributions. Just just based on internet usage are you going to pay back that investment? Tell me more about how you guys contribute sooooo much more for your worth than others...

 

As I said, I am happy with my current service. However, if fibre like capacities became an economic or social normalcy I would want it. You would probably struggle to justify the cost of fibre to an urban address. Almost all of the capacity is used for leisure consumption, but it is seen by the government as an investment in future growth and just an expectation of modern life.

 

I have a small horticultural property. About a million dollars of export product goes to Europe and Asia each year. Rural properties are often businesses and, as automation increases, are likely to need increased capacity for things like remote monitoring of processes.

 



Glad to hear you are happy with a really fantastic xDSL service you are currently getting. A lot of people are not for unreasonable reasons. It would not be hard to justify Fibre to an urban address, you can service 100's of people for the same cost as you. Technology naturally gets deployed in high concentrated areas then trickled down so your point of trying to justify that is really moot. Remote capabilities for a horticulture farm would not use much, RBI would do this perfectly fine. Unless you want to stream 1080P video off site then I cannot think of a use case as an ex horticulturalist myself. 

 

If you also had an idea of how a network is built, you would probably not expect to get fibre to farms and say RBI is free lunch. The infrastructure being added to existing sites expanding range and frequencies is huge. You will never cover the entire country with any form of wireless network due to our geographical challenges so its only ever going to be best effort. So it swings back around to don't live somewhere where you are dependent on something and can't get it there.

 

Again, people on these threads tend to lump all non-urban properties as remote and therefore uneconomic to service. The distribution of properties away from cities and towns is closer to a normal distribution than a straight line. The majority of rural properties are close to urban areas with existing fibre nearby and a relatively high population density. Possibly not much more expensive to service than urban.

 

I believe those that are most remote areas have realistic expectations about what services they might expect, and in many cases, seek their own wireless solutions.

 



I have seen "rural" properties across the road fro "urban" ones, Take lonely track road in Albany for an example... Everything is case to case, but we are talking extending a network, not slinging a cable over a boundary here. I think you are on the same page as everyone with that now. Just no need to carry the argument on by suggesting rural properties in a stones throw of urban.. But at the end of the day, the line needs to be drawn somewhere and where it is drawn there will be someone who wins and loses....



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  # 2154417 4-Jan-2019 15:00
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What the...

 

That Inn has a DSL sync of 17Mbit currently, there is also VDSL in the area. The School is connected via Fibre. What are they even on about? They've already got better broadband all thanks to RBI.

 

Also, Vodafone Suresignal and 2degrees WiFi Calling are options to them. This is terrible reporting and another reason to not read Stuff.





 
 
 
 


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  # 2154427 4-Jan-2019 15:25
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michaelmurfy:

 

What the...

 

That Inn has a DSL sync of 17Mbit currently, there is also VDSL in the area. The School is connected via Fibre. What are they even on about? They've already got better broadband all thanks to RBI.

 

Also, Vodafone Suresignal and 2degrees WiFi Calling are options to them. This is terrible reporting and another reason to not read Stuff.

 

 

 

 

17mbit is only just enough to stream 4K! what sort of world are you in murfy! that's like 4th world! slower than dialup!

 

 

 

They also appear to have a professionally installed cell booster...

 

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done some digging, L700 + L1800 + U850 cell access from spark.

 

A Small cell is also been installed, so they aren't on a booster for spark (or if they are, it will be clashing.)

 

 

 

Their biggest limitation is the fact that they are running an inn, off a HG659b by the looks of it... That 32 device limit running hot.

 

 

 

This location would be easy for a managed solution to be installed too.. 





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  # 2154499 4-Jan-2019 17:30
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It would not be hard to justify Fibre to an urban address, you can service 100's of people for the same cost as you.


How do you justify it for playing games and watching videos and keeping ones social media current?

100s of people? Ridiculous.



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  # 2154513 4-Jan-2019 17:50
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People who work from home don't do just those things, they upload large amounts of data as well (think of video editing, for example). And yes, 1km of fibre running through the middle of an urban area will pass a LOT more potential customers as opposed to 1km in a rural area, which would only pass a few, at best - all of whom may not subscribe to it anyway.


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  # 2154576 4-Jan-2019 20:01
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quickymart:

People who work from home don't do just those things, they upload large amounts of data as well (think of video editing, for example). And yes, 1km of fibre running through the middle of an urban area will pass a LOT more potential customers as opposed to 1km in a rural area, which would only pass a few, at best - all of whom may not subscribe to it anyway.



The underground cable is generally already there to those rural areas ie the 80%. That’s not the problem. The issue is the cost of supplying individual properties. Certainly the cost of cable for that is greater, probably 10x but cable is comparatively cheap and the labour comparable or less for pole supply.



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  # 2154580 4-Jan-2019 20:14
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And if there's no connection/dropoff point nearby? That would easily be 5 figures to rectify (at minimum). Again for what, 5? 10? people?

 

Just because the cable's there doesn't mean it's connectable either (think backhaul cable).


 
 
 
 


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  # 2154581 4-Jan-2019 20:29
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It would not be hard to justify Fibre to an urban address, you can service 100's of people for the same cost as you.


How do you justify it for playing games and watching videos and keeping ones social media current?

100s of people? Ridiculous.


I wonder why the urban population views rural users as entitled whingers? Its hard to work out.

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  # 2154582 4-Jan-2019 20:40
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Lastman:
It would not be hard to justify Fibre to an urban address, you can service 100's of people for the same cost as you.


How do you justify it for playing games and watching videos and keeping ones social media current?

100s of people? Ridiculous.

 

Because those people pay a monthly fee to their ISP, who pay chorus who then deliver a positive return on that cable installation.  100 people paying the $45 or so to chorus each month = craploads over a few years.





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It would not be hard to justify Fibre to an urban address, you can service 100's of people for the same cost as you.


How do you justify it for playing games and watching videos and keeping ones social media current?

100s of people? Ridiculous.


I wonder why the urban population views rural users as entitled whingers? Its hard to work out.


Well it’s true isn’t it, currently? The fibre network is designed for capacity for the next 50/100 years. The applications will no doubt come. I agree with it.

I am being facetious but it’s born out of some of the attitudes I see here. I see the argument as being attitudallly driven. It’s obvious to me the fibre network will be extended at some point to some degree.



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  # 2154632 4-Jan-2019 21:49
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It won't be everywhere though (as nice as that might be).


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  # 2154648 4-Jan-2019 22:43
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Lastman:

I am being facetious but it’s born out of some of the attitudes I see here. I see the argument as being attitudallly driven. It’s obvious to me the fibre network will be extended at some point to some degree.

 

Worth noting chorus are only just getting rid of the Conklins, and most of that comes down to needing to get out of ATM.





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  # 2154657 4-Jan-2019 23:57
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Lastman: 

I am being facetious but it’s born out of some of the attitudes I see here. I see the argument as being attitudallly driven. It’s obvious to me the fibre network will be extended at some point to some degree.

 

I hear you, and fully agree with you but there are places where the UFB network won't end up (due to cost of deployment) and thus the local cabinet has been upgraded. Take for example, my Parents. They're rural in a low density, farmland area and yet they're on 130/30Mbit VDSL which is more than enough for them. It'll be stupid to roll out fibre to that area as there simply isn't the customers to make it viable.

 

Now, there are small town centres with booming populations which were once considered rural - those are contenders for UFB and will likely get it too if feeder fibre can be run or is present and costs allow.

 

We've got it damn lucky. Just over the ditch Australia is rolling out VDSL as part of their NBN with speeds "up-to" 100Mbit and here we are with many people able to get Gigabit for less than the cost of their 100Mbit (capped) plans. People will always complain, but we are so far ahead in terms of broadband - even more as Chorus are now testing 10Gbit on their existing UFB network. They've made huge improvements to both ADSL and VDSL in the last few years also to give people better speeds. Honestly, kudos to them.

 

Everyone in NZ has got options - it is rare for somebody to be without options for getting online (even if it is Satellite) and even so, even Satellite is improving. Those options just depend if the person wants to pony up. The cost of broadband is decreasing and is already cheaper than Australia and the US for Unlimited plans and even mobile.





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We are all expected to pay the market price of rurally produced commodities like dairy products and wood. Therefore it's only fair that people who live rurally should pay the market price for interwebz.


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  # 2154661 5-Jan-2019 00:24
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michaelmurfy:

We've got it damn lucky. Just over the ditch Australia is rolling out VDSL as part of their NBN with speeds "up-to" 100Mbit and here we are with many people able to get Gigabit for less than the cost of their 100Mbit (capped) plans. People will always complain, but we are so far ahead in terms of broadband - even more as Chorus are now testing 10Gbit on their existing UFB network. They've made huge improvements to both ADSL and VDSL in the last few years also to give people better speeds. Honestly, kudos to them.


Everyone in NZ has got options - it is rare for somebody to be without options for getting online (even if it is Satellite) and even so, even Satellite is improving. Those options just depend if the person wants to pony up. The cost of broadband is decreasing and is already cheaper than Australia and the US for Unlimited plans and even mobile.



Yip. In Dubai I pay NZD$160 a month for 30mb down, 6 up.

I can get 100mbs for around NZD$400 a month. NZ internet is very well priced and has excellent options.

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