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  # 2159527 11-Jan-2019 23:05

yitz: Will be interesting to see any developments this year... I wouldn't be surprised if OP receives notification that the legacy service/plan will be discontinued sometime this year... however the copper withdrawal code does state that "before the copper service can be withdrawn an equivalent fibre service is readily available at no additional cost to the consumer". I wonder if Vocus group has kept the Flip brand around to battle this one out in regard to seeking lower wholesale fibre costs.

https://comcom.govt.nz/regulated-industries/telecommunications/regulated-services/consumer-protections-for-copper-withdrawal/copper-withdrawal-code/timeline/commission-launches-consultations-on-safeguards-for-consumers-moving-from-copper-to-fibre-broadband


The actual copper service itself is not being withdrawn in the above example. As the OP could just switch to Spark or any other ISP that resells Chorus Baseband Voice, if they want to keep a copper landline connected. (for now as least) And they are in a UFB area. So fibre is readily available and can be installed for free.





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  # 2159532 11-Jan-2019 23:19

daringpeter:

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Flip's legacy pack gives me 'free' calling to 39 countries, including say UK and US. Also Aussie- but not mobiles. And mobiles in about 9 countries, not all 3rd world by any means. There is 'carry-over' and a cap, which I have never needed. However, now I would be happy with 'free' national calls, landline and mobile. All for a bit over $73 a month, including ADSL. 



Cool. A budget of $13 per month will buy plenty of calling minutes, which often include Australia as well. And if you make lots of international calls (especially to just 1 country). Consider signing up to a VOIP service from that country. Then you will have a local phone number for that country, that you can link to a telephone in your home.

And the price quoted above for fibre also includes Unlimited data. A legacy ADSL plan is unlikely to come with Unlimited data.





 
 
 
 


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  # 2159584 12-Jan-2019 09:44
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Gordy7:

 

yitz: Will be interesting to see any developments this year... I wouldn't be surprised if OP receives notification that the legacy service/plan will be discontinued sometime this year... however the copper withdrawal code does state that "before the copper service can be withdrawn an equivalent fibre service is readily available at no additional cost to the consumer". I wonder if Vocus group has kept the Flip brand around to battle this one out in regard to seeking lower wholesale fibre costs. https://comcom.govt.nz/regulated-industries/telecommunications/regulated-services/consumer-protections-for-copper-withdrawal/copper-withdrawal-code/timeline/commission-launches-consultations-on-safeguards-for-consumers-moving-from-copper-to-fibre-broadband

 

Good angle... There will be a lot of pressure for price reduction on fibre...

 

I might hang on to my copper for a while too. My VDSL (plus VoIP landline) is reasonably fast  :-)

 

 

 

 

There won't be pressure for price reductions on fibre on anything but higher priced plans... And once this happens (it already is) prices of at the low end will rise.

 

You're already seeing prices going up and this will only continue as RSPs decide they can no longer sustain selling a service and making no money.

 

 


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  # 2159588 12-Jan-2019 09:52
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sbiddle:

 

There won't be pressure for price reductions on fibre on anything but higher priced plans... And once this happens (it already is) prices of at the low end will rise.

 

You're already seeing prices going up and this will only continue as RSPs decide they can no longer sustain selling a service and making no money.

 

 

Chorus is saying there will be a price reduction coming up for premium fibre.... probably due to the increased users on fibre....

 

RSPs might not pass this on I guess...

 

https://company.chorus.co.nz/chorus-reaches-500000-fibre-connections-price-reduction-premium-fibre-service

 

 





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  # 2159594 12-Jan-2019 10:02
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but when you say price should go up in UFB areas I don't see why it should include actual fibre connection when base around chorus . Chorus may have the majority stake in fibre build true but why include those that are in area country that chorus fibre doesn't get to. Personally I just got fibre recently and I feel little annoyed as these price increase should occur now and not 5 years ago when UFB rollout started.  To claim it to for chorus up keep of copper network is lie it just another way to get more money out of us. Even when you signed in to 24 month contracts it still isn't enough to protect you from RSP  increasing costs but if leave contract you get ping by them. it win win all way for RSP and chorus and nothing back for consumer or other fibre providers .


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  # 2159597 12-Jan-2019 10:05
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sbiddle:

 

Gordy7:

 

yitz: Will be interesting to see any developments this year... I wouldn't be surprised if OP receives notification that the legacy service/plan will be discontinued sometime this year... however the copper withdrawal code does state that "before the copper service can be withdrawn an equivalent fibre service is readily available at no additional cost to the consumer". I wonder if Vocus group has kept the Flip brand around to battle this one out in regard to seeking lower wholesale fibre costs. https://comcom.govt.nz/regulated-industries/telecommunications/regulated-services/consumer-protections-for-copper-withdrawal/copper-withdrawal-code/timeline/commission-launches-consultations-on-safeguards-for-consumers-moving-from-copper-to-fibre-broadband

 

Good angle... There will be a lot of pressure for price reduction on fibre...

 

I might hang on to my copper for a while too. My VDSL (plus VoIP landline) is reasonably fast  :-)

 

 

 

 

There won't be pressure for price reductions on fibre on anything but higher priced plans... And once this happens (it already is) prices of at the low end will rise.

 

You're already seeing prices going up and this will only continue as RSPs decide they can no longer sustain selling a service and making no money.

 

 

 

 

Isn't there talk of unbundling fibre in 2020.

 

https://internetnz.nz/news/fibre-unbundling-good-news-kiwi-broadband-users

 

And I note wholesale pricing for the lower speed tier has been capped in price.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/108035923/broadband-price-hike-avoided-as-faafoi-negotiates-lower-cap-for-anchor-ufb-service





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  # 2159598 12-Jan-2019 10:17
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Gordy7:

 

sbiddle:

 

There won't be pressure for price reductions on fibre on anything but higher priced plans... And once this happens (it already is) prices of at the low end will rise.

 

You're already seeing prices going up and this will only continue as RSPs decide they can no longer sustain selling a service and making no money.

 

 

Chorus is saying there will be a price reduction coming up for premium fibre.... probably due to the increased users on fibre....

 

RSPs might not pass this on I guess...

 

https://company.chorus.co.nz/chorus-reaches-500000-fibre-connections-price-reduction-premium-fibre-service

 

 

 

 

Even before the price changes last year the original roadmap for UFB saw prices of level entry plans increasing yearly from 2014 (from memory) onwards, whereas the pricing of 100Mbps plans reduced going forward.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2159599 12-Jan-2019 10:22
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sbiddle:

 

Gordy7:

 

sbiddle:

 

There won't be pressure for price reductions on fibre on anything but higher priced plans... And once this happens (it already is) prices of at the low end will rise.

 

You're already seeing prices going up and this will only continue as RSPs decide they can no longer sustain selling a service and making no money.

 

 

Chorus is saying there will be a price reduction coming up for premium fibre.... probably due to the increased users on fibre....

 

RSPs might not pass this on I guess...

 

https://company.chorus.co.nz/chorus-reaches-500000-fibre-connections-price-reduction-premium-fibre-service

 

 

 

 

Even before the price changes last year the original roadmap for UFB saw prices of level entry plans increasing yearly from 2014 (from memory) onwards, whereas the pricing of 100Mbps plans reduced going forward.

 

 

 

 

What effect will unbundling achieve on retail pricing from 2020. I believe Vocus and Vodafone have come to an agreement with unbundling fibre.


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  # 2159830 12-Jan-2019 18:57
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ajw:

 

What effect will unbundling achieve on retail pricing from 2020. I believe Vocus and Vodafone have come to an agreement with unbundling fibre.

 

 

I'll believe unbundling when I see it.

 

I've heard figure of a large scale unbundled network potentially costing upwards of $25 million minimum as an initial investment - where is that capex going to come from? Vodafone don't even have any money to spend at present - their sole focus is to make the books look good for the IPO.

 

I will honestly be very surprised if UFB unbundling occurs to any large extent beyond cherry picking some large Auckland suburbs for the purposes of a trial.

 

 


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sbiddle:

 

ajw:

 

What effect will unbundling achieve on retail pricing from 2020. I believe Vocus and Vodafone have come to an agreement with unbundling fibre.

 

 

I'll believe unbundling when I see it.

 

I've heard figure of a large scale unbundled network potentially costing upwards of $25 million minimum as an initial investment - where is that capex going to come from? Vodafone don't even have any money to spend at present - their sole focus is to make the books look good for the IPO.

 

I will honestly be very surprised if UFB unbundling occurs to any large extent beyond cherry picking some large Auckland suburbs for the purposes of a trial.

 

 

 

 

Post 2020 mass unbundling will commence. I do hope all the hype of fixed 5G wireless lives up to the expectation.

 

https://www.verizonwireless.com/5g/home/

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OWFQV21oqg&t=86s

 

 


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Have you got a link for anything in NZ? Not really fussed with what's happening in America.


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quickymart:

 

Have you got a link for anything in NZ? Not really fussed with what's happening in America.

 

 

Give it about eighteen months. NZ is behind the times with telco rollouts.

 

 


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ajw:

quickymart:


Have you got a link for anything in NZ? Not really fussed with what's happening in America.



Give it about eighteen months. NZ is behind the times with telco rollouts.


 


NZ is certainly not behind and has significantly superior internet to the US.




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  # 2159914 13-Jan-2019 08:44
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coffeebaron:
ajw:

 

quickymart:

 

 

 

Have you got a link for anything in NZ? Not really fussed with what's happening in America.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Give it about eighteen months. NZ is behind the times with telco rollouts.

 

 

 

 

 


NZ is certainly not behind and has significantly superior internet to the US.

 

Of course population density wouldn't have anything to do with the equation.

 

 


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Really? My fibre connection is markedly faster (and better) than my mother in law's cable connection in the Midwest - and she lives in a city 4 times the size of Hamilton.


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