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Topic # 245630 14-Feb-2019 09:29
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Chorus is testing a wireless ultrafast broadband technology that could mean customers are able to get gigabit broadband without needing an unsightly phone cable dangling across their property.

 

[A Chorus spokesman] said its trial showed a connection speed of about 1.6Gbps over 150 metres was possible...

 

However, the technology uses high-frequency radio spectrum in the 60GHz band, and for that to work there needs to be a clear line of sight between the access points that might be installed on power or phone poles and an antenna on the home, which would connect to the customer's router.

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110557986/wireless-ufb-option-could-provide-gigabit-speeds-without-the-cabling

 

 

Nokia Wireless PON uses WiGig technology, operating in the unlicensed V-band 60 GHz mmWave spectrum, which can be freely used by any operator in most countries.

 

Nokia Wireless PON can achieve up symmetrical rates of 1 Gbps Gb/s at distances up to 300 meters.

 

Nokia Wireless PON access points can be chained together, meaning it can provide its own backhaul. A first access point can be connected physically to the fiber network and subsequent access points connected to each other wirelessly.

 

Access points and home units have a 180-degree field of view, which makes installation easy as precise alignment isn’t necessary. With beamforming technology, interference is kept to a minimum.

 

 

https://networks.nokia.com/solutions/wireless-PON

 

 


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  Reply # 2178101 14-Feb-2019 09:39
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I wonder how far 60ghz fixed wireless can go before running out of puff... 





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  Reply # 2178103 14-Feb-2019 09:40
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Interesting development, I have deployed a few 60ad links with Mikrotik kit, I presume they are using the same chip set, all I can say is they are impressive in their performance, throughput is rock stable and latency appears to be around 200-300uSec so hardly noticeable.

 

Have not had any major outages due to rain, although one link is across a road, the units are high enough to see over cars and vans, but trucks will take it out, typically it recovers within portions of a sec so hardly seen as a drop.

 

So I would see this as a perfect solution for troublesome installations.

 

And to answer Antonios question, the basic Mikrotik is good for around 250-300m, but they have a dish mounted version also that is good for around 1500m

 

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  Reply # 2178115 14-Feb-2019 09:46
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Guys, your totally missing the bigger issue!

 

 

 

60G is like, 12 times as bad as 5G! think of all the radiation!

 

 

 

 

 

on a more serious note, it's an interesting play. The kit seems pretty good, I would hope the government dont lax the requirements of UFB being physical fibre to the home though personally..





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  Reply # 2178119 14-Feb-2019 09:53
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Have not had any major outages due to rain, although one link is across a road, the units are high enough to see over cars and vans, but trucks will take it out, typically it recovers within portions of a sec so hardly seen as a drop.

 

So I would see this as a perfect solution for troublesome installations.

 

Would  not be great for Voice, but agree re troublesome installs, if the antennas are placed high and on a decent angle to mitigate drop outs, i would rather this than have my asphalt cut up  


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  Reply # 2178172 14-Feb-2019 10:39
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..........Snip

 

Would  not be great for Voice, but agree re troublesome installs, if the antennas are placed high and on a decent angle to mitigate drop outs, i would rather this than have my asphalt cut up  

 

 

My guess is Chorus have access to tall poles, so one would hope this issue is mitigated in a majority of instances, in the case I mentioned I did not and it was only approx 2.5m above ground

 

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  Reply # 2178176 14-Feb-2019 10:42
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hio77:

 

Guys, your totally missing the bigger issue!

 

60G is like, 12 times as bad as 5G! think of all the radiation!

 

on a more serious note, it's an interesting play. The kit seems pretty good, I would hope the government dont lax the requirements of UFB being physical fibre to the home though personally..

 

 

Troy... several years spent trying to make wimax commercially real made me conservative in my views...





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  Reply # 2178181 14-Feb-2019 10:52
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Wouldn't the transmitter located up said power or telephone pole require a power supply to operate?


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Wouldn't the transmitter located up said power or telephone pole require a power supply to operate?

 

 

Yes, but I guess they have a plan for that, ...................................................maybe a batt feed from a NEAX tail on the same pole................. oh NEAX is pulled, ...............damn

 

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  Reply # 2178183 14-Feb-2019 10:57
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Maybe like the Australians do with their last-mile VDSL "boosters". Powered back from the house over a spare pair in the service lead?


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  Reply # 2178188 14-Feb-2019 11:03
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Maybe like the Australians do with their last-mile VDSL "boosters". Powered back from the house over a spare pair in the service lead?

 

 

Ahhh, good Idea, the 60ad channel can have phantom power over it, that work :)

 

 

 

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  Reply # 2178193 14-Feb-2019 11:11
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chevrolux:

 

Maybe like the Australians do with their last-mile VDSL "boosters". Powered back from the house over a spare pair in the service lead?

 

 

Ahhh, good Idea, the 60ad channel can have phantom power over it, that work :)

 

 

 

Cyril

 

 

Phantom power from the RFI created by the client radio on the house.


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Now you are talking, a few high performance diodes with tuned leads, ..................................................................kinda crystal set esq.

 

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  Reply # 2178215 14-Feb-2019 11:58
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Tap the power of the lights. Hmm, why does my internet only work at night??

 

The Nokia site suggests power from the grid, or DC - I guess the fibre could have a copper pair for this.

 

 





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I believe the WiPon (ugh) will leverage the existing copper for PoE styles power supplies and have external aerials Woosh styles. I'm sure near salt water areas that will be just fine and there will be no chance of the equipment rusting from salty air.

 

I can see use cases in MDUs were the building owner doesn't want to have the installs happen and Chorus offer it from antennas from across the road.

 

Glad to see Chorus innovating, it's a good thing for NZ.






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As I understand it, the idea is to hijack redundant copper network to power these sites. No confirmation yet if this is to come from a customer premises, mains on the street or back to the cabinet.

 

These will be utilised to provide service only in those situations where consent to build physical network is just not happening (for whatever may be the reason). At the end of the day a cable in the ground is still going to be the best option. ^Richard


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