Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5
15358 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2984
Inactive user


  Reply # 2188091 27-Feb-2019 13:23
Send private message quote this post

aspett:

 

Lias:

 

Who the hell did they interview lol, because _noone_ I know has stopped pirating because of Netflix.. most have _reduced_ their piracy because of it, but as soon as something they want to see isn't on Netflix (or Lightbox or whatever else they subscribe to), they will pirate it.. 

 

 

Pretty much this. No one wants to subscribe to 4 different streaming platforms, and even if they do, those major ones probably won't cover all the popular content you want to watch. If they really want to put a dent in piracy, there needs to be a larger aggregate service..

 

 

Like a monopoly? Then you will complain and say we need competition, that's what has happened. Mayne the monopoly will give you everything that exists for $20 a month


29 posts

Geek
+1 received by user: 12


  Reply # 2188098 27-Feb-2019 13:32
Send private message quote this post

tdgeek:

 

aspett:

 

Lias:

 

Who the hell did they interview lol, because _noone_ I know has stopped pirating because of Netflix.. most have _reduced_ their piracy because of it, but as soon as something they want to see isn't on Netflix (or Lightbox or whatever else they subscribe to), they will pirate it.. 

 

 

Pretty much this. No one wants to subscribe to 4 different streaming platforms, and even if they do, those major ones probably won't cover all the popular content you want to watch. If they really want to put a dent in piracy, there needs to be a larger aggregate service..

 

 

Like a monopoly? Then you will complain and say we need competition, that's what has happened. Mayne the monopoly will give you everything that exists for $20 a month

 

 

You can call it a monopoly if you want. The fact is, consumers don't care, as long as it provides the service they're looking for for a reasonable price. People started leaving Sky because it wasn't good value for money, and it wasn't good value for money, because they couldn't get all their content in one place anymore. In some ways it's positive that content has split across many providers, because now if you only want a subset, it's very easy to get a subset- but for those who want content across providers, they've been done over by the increase in competition. People won't pay a service a full $10-20/m just for one show they want to watch.. so piracy will win those cases.


 
 
 
 


15358 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2984
Inactive user


  Reply # 2188100 27-Feb-2019 13:38
Send private message quote this post

aspett:

 

 

 

You can call it a monopoly if you want. The fact is, consumers don't care, as long as it provides the service they're looking for for a reasonable price. People started leaving Sky because it wasn't good value for money, and it wasn't good value for money, because they couldn't get all their content in one place anymore. In some ways it's positive that content has split across many providers, because now if you only want a subset, it's very easy to get a subset- but for those who want content across providers, they've been done over by the increase in competition. People won't pay a service a full $10-20/m just for one show they want to watch.. so piracy will win those cases.

 

 

Understood. You mentioned reasonable price, I agree. My litmus test on reasonable price is if the providers profit shows it is not rorting.

 

So, "reasonable price" actually means dirt cheap as I don't care what it really costs to provide.


6829 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2329

Trusted

  Reply # 2188106 27-Feb-2019 13:43
Send private message quote this post

tdgeek:

 

aspett:

 

 

 

You can call it a monopoly if you want. The fact is, consumers don't care, as long as it provides the service they're looking for for a reasonable price. People started leaving Sky because it wasn't good value for money, and it wasn't good value for money, because they couldn't get all their content in one place anymore. In some ways it's positive that content has split across many providers, because now if you only want a subset, it's very easy to get a subset- but for those who want content across providers, they've been done over by the increase in competition. People won't pay a service a full $10-20/m just for one show they want to watch.. so piracy will win those cases.

 

 

Understood. You mentioned reasonable price, I agree. My litmus test on reasonable price is if the providers profit shows it is not rorting.

 

So, "reasonable price" actually means dirt cheap as I don't care what it really costs to provide.

 

 

Its a race to the bottom! We want it YESTERDAY and YOU pay us to use it attitude is what our consumers have. 

 

But 15x4=60, Thats a lot of money per month to just watch TV, equal that of SKY. So it is sort of standing in as a replacement for consumers if you want a range of content. Clearly people can chose what they want and pay less but if they don't want pirates then they will need to make it convenient for consumers. 





 


1524 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 231


  Reply # 2188111 27-Feb-2019 13:49
Send private message quote this post

tdgeek:

aspett:


 


You can call it a monopoly if you want. The fact is, consumers don't care, as long as it provides the service they're looking for for a reasonable price. People started leaving Sky because it wasn't good value for money, and it wasn't good value for money, because they couldn't get all their content in one place anymore. In some ways it's positive that content has split across many providers, because now if you only want a subset, it's very easy to get a subset- but for those who want content across providers, they've been done over by the increase in competition. People won't pay a service a full $10-20/m just for one show they want to watch.. so piracy will win those cases.



Understood. You mentioned reasonable price, I agree. My litmus test on reasonable price is if the providers profit shows it is not rorting.


So, "reasonable price" actually means dirt cheap as I don't care what it really costs to provide.



Piracy is not about price it's about convenience. If you can get your selection of content from different providers when you want, without having to wait for artificial time windows to expire then it's convenient, right?

Oh wait..... no, it's about the price. If I have to pay the same amount but get it from multiple places it's not going to work. Sure I have to do some search work to source my pirated material but it's not too inconvenient.

15358 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2984
Inactive user


  Reply # 2188113 27-Feb-2019 13:56
Send private message quote this post

Coil:

 

tdgeek:

 

aspett:

 

 

 

You can call it a monopoly if you want. The fact is, consumers don't care, as long as it provides the service they're looking for for a reasonable price. People started leaving Sky because it wasn't good value for money, and it wasn't good value for money, because they couldn't get all their content in one place anymore. In some ways it's positive that content has split across many providers, because now if you only want a subset, it's very easy to get a subset- but for those who want content across providers, they've been done over by the increase in competition. People won't pay a service a full $10-20/m just for one show they want to watch.. so piracy will win those cases.

 

 

Understood. You mentioned reasonable price, I agree. My litmus test on reasonable price is if the providers profit shows it is not rorting.

 

So, "reasonable price" actually means dirt cheap as I don't care what it really costs to provide.

 

 

Its a race to the bottom! We want it YESTERDAY and YOU pay us to use it attitude is what our consumers have. 

 

But 15x4=60, Thats a lot of money per month to just watch TV, equal that of SKY. So it is sort of standing in as a replacement for consumers if you want a range of content. Clearly people can chose what they want and pay less but if they don't want pirates then they will need to make it convenient for consumers. 

 

 

Yep, I get all that! Not sure if I see it as a race to the bottom though. Its like a product in a shop may cost $20. Then people want it for $15, then $11 then $8 then $4. All the while it always cost $12 to manufacture. TV is like that, it still costs what it costs even though many want it all for nix. Thats the item in this case is not physical, its "not real". That's the excuse when I  might argue, you don't want to buy my $20 widget so you offer $4 or steal it. I';m sure most piraters would not steal from anyone, and pirating isn't stealing is it? Its replacing a sale though, same thing. While I don't agree with Sky et al saying it cost us 45 gazillion, it is removing sales


272 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 111


  Reply # 2188114 27-Feb-2019 13:59
Send private message quote this post

tdgeek:

 

Bluntj:

 

As long as Apple charge $26 for an album there will be pirates. Not sure how this price can be justified for a digital release.

 

 

Thats about what CD's used to cost IIRC?  Whats a more reasonable price? The physical CD is almost a worthless amount of money, the cutting of it, the printed holder, transport would add some cost as would the ticket clippers on the way (wholesaler/distributor margin). I have no idea, say $8?? Make an online album $19?

 

 

If an online digital album was $15 or under (latest release) a lot less would be pirated. I suspect Apple makes way too much money on these sales. Artist still probably gets around $2 per sale.


1548 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 272


  Reply # 2188117 27-Feb-2019 14:03
3 people support this post
Send private message quote this post

Bit torrent might be down because there’s a lot of free sites that stream the program directly, no need to wait for download. So because torrent traffic is down doesn’t mean piracy is down by same amount.
I do believe Netflix would’ve reduced Piracy some bit though.

I do find it crazy that pirated stuff can be better quality then the paid NZ streaming services.

15358 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2984
Inactive user


  Reply # 2188118 27-Feb-2019 14:06
Send private message quote this post

Bluntj:

 

tdgeek:

 

Bluntj:

 

As long as Apple charge $26 for an album there will be pirates. Not sure how this price can be justified for a digital release.

 

 

Thats about what CD's used to cost IIRC?  Whats a more reasonable price? The physical CD is almost a worthless amount of money, the cutting of it, the printed holder, transport would add some cost as would the ticket clippers on the way (wholesaler/distributor margin). I have no idea, say $8?? Make an online album $19?

 

 

If an online digital album was $15 or under (latest release) a lot less would be pirated. I suspect Apple makes way too much money on these sales. Artist still probably gets around $2 per sale.

 

 

Agree. In Apple's case, their 30% replaces the costs I summarised which is unfair. What are album's available for from others? (non Apple)


3978 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2673

Trusted
Spark NZ

  Reply # 2188119 27-Feb-2019 14:07
Send private message quote this post

rugrat: Bit torrent might be down because there’s a lot of free sites that stream the program directly, no need to wait for download. So because torrent traffic is down doesn’t mean piracy is down by same amount.
I do believe Netflix would’ve reduced Piracy some bit though.

I do find it crazy that pirated stuff can be better quality then the paid NZ streaming services.

 

I was going to ask if you seriously believed that hadn't been considered (at least by some people) but decided to address it directly.

 

The stats I have access to include a very generous allowance of non torrent/P2P traffic still being pirated content, and yet there's still around 10x that amount being legit paid or free streaming..

 

My stats assume 100% of all VPN traffic is piracy, plus any traffic unable to be categorised is 100% piracy, plus a percentage of HTTP and HTTPS traffic is piracy.

 

Note, I don't believe these are accurate AT ALL, but even vastly overestimating the piracy contribution I get it at less than a 10th of legit streaming traffic.

 

Cheers - N


29 posts

Geek
+1 received by user: 12


  Reply # 2188120 27-Feb-2019 14:07
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

 

Piracy is not about price it's about convenience. If you can get your selection of content from different providers when you want, without having to wait for artificial time windows to expire then it's convenient, right? 

Oh wait..... no, it's about the price. If I have to pay the same amount but get it from multiple places it's not going to work. Sure I have to do some search work to source my pirated material but it's not too inconvenient.

 

 

 

 

Bluntj:

 

If an online digital album was $15 or under (latest release) a lot less would be pirated. I suspect Apple makes way too much money on these sales. Artist still probably gets around $2 per sale.

 

 

I haven't pirated audio in years because the streaming services have pretty much all the content I'd ever want to listen to... in one place, for a reasonable price (~$15/m). That was first Pandora, and now Google Play Music.

 

If there was a similar offering for TV shows; available quickly, with all the content I'd watch.. then I'd happily fork out $30? $40? More, maybe? If they could have plans that included subsets of media, even better. But the idea is one place to pay. One place to view. I don't care how they spread the moolah in the background. Just make it convenient and reasonably priced.


428 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 49


  Reply # 2188123 27-Feb-2019 14:10
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

IMHO PLEX is slowing down piracy.





Balm its gone!


15358 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2984
Inactive user


  Reply # 2188124 27-Feb-2019 14:15
Send private message quote this post

aspett:

 

 

 

I haven't pirated audio in years because the streaming services have pretty much all the content I'd ever want to listen to... in one place, for a reasonable price (~$15/m). That was first Pandora, and now Google Play Music.

 

If there was a similar offering for TV shows; available quickly, with all the content I'd watch.. then I'd happily fork out $30? $40? More, maybe? If they could have plans that included subsets of media, even better. But the idea is one place to pay. One place to view. I don't care how they spread the moolah in the background. Just make it convenient and reasonably priced.

 

 

These music services are great. Not for the writer and singer. Its peanuts, they get stuff all. If all TV and movies were $30-$40 then "I don't care how they spread the moolah in the background." There wont be any worth spreading, the creators etc etc will be doing charity work for you and me

 

But, I'm out of this topic its been hashed around for years.


1548 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 272


  Reply # 2188129 27-Feb-2019 14:32
Send private message quote this post

Talkiet:


I was going to ask if you seriously believed that hadn't been considered (at least by some people) but decided to address it directly.


The stats I have access to include a very generous allowance of non torrent/P2P traffic still being pirated content, and yet there's still around 10x that amount being legit paid or free streaming..


My stats assume 100% of all VPN traffic is piracy, plus any traffic unable to be categorised is 100% piracy, plus a percentage of HTTP and HTTPS traffic is piracy.


Note, I don't believe these are accurate AT ALL, but even vastly overestimating the piracy contribution I get it at less than a 10th of legit streaming traffic.


Cheers - N



Ok, so Piracy is down a lot taking into account all sources. Thanks.

Most people I know that Pirate or use to Pirate do pay for Netflix, and for some it’s easier to pick something off Netflix then look else where.




1548 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 272


  Reply # 2188165 27-Feb-2019 14:39
Send private message quote this post

Is Sky still trying to have the internet censored?

Haven’t heard anything about it lately, and I’m guessing that was what the report was done for.

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic


Donate via Givealittle


Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Amazon introduces new Kindle with adjustable front light
Posted 21-Mar-2019 20:14


A call from the companies providing internet access for the great majority of New Zealanders, to the companies with the greatest influence over social media content
Posted 19-Mar-2019 15:21


Two e-scooter companies selected for Wellington trial
Posted 15-Mar-2019 17:33


GeForce GTX 1660 available now
Posted 15-Mar-2019 08:47


Artificial Intelligence to double the rate of innovation in New Zealand by 2021
Posted 13-Mar-2019 14:47


LG demonstrates smart home concepts at LG InnoFest
Posted 13-Mar-2019 14:45


New Zealanders buying more expensive smartphones
Posted 11-Mar-2019 09:52


2degrees Offers Amazon Prime Video to Broadband Customers
Posted 8-Mar-2019 14:10


D-Link ANZ launches D-Fend AC2600 Wi-Fi Router Protected by McAfee
Posted 7-Mar-2019 11:09


Slingshot commissions celebrities to design new modems
Posted 5-Mar-2019 08:58


Symantec Annual Threat Report reveals more ambitious, destructive and stealthy attacks
Posted 28-Feb-2019 10:14


FUJIFILM launches high performing X-T30
Posted 28-Feb-2019 09:40


Netflix is killing content piracy says research
Posted 28-Feb-2019 09:33


Trend Micro finds shifting threats require kiwis to rethink security priorities
Posted 28-Feb-2019 09:27


Mainfreight uses Spark IoT Asset Tracking service
Posted 28-Feb-2019 09:25



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.