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  Reply # 2205229 26-Mar-2019 18:38
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Fibre, any day of the week. I don't think I could go back to DSL now (unless I absolutely had to).


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  Reply # 2205230 26-Mar-2019 18:40
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Jase2985:

 

dfnt:

 

On the subject of Voyager, why don't they have a subforum here?

 

 

guessing not enough topics to justify

 

 

Neither does Compass, Flip nor NOW yet they have sub forums


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2205236 26-Mar-2019 18:45
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If you remain on VDSL when you have fiber available then please deposit your geek creds in the trash on your way out.





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  Reply # 2205247 26-Mar-2019 19:10
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I'm in almost the same boat, except I am trying to determine what plan vs whether I will or not. My issue is the same as xpd that my perfect plan looks like 200/50 but most (consumer) plans are 200/20. I am not 100% sure what the ideal ratio of upload to download is. I am not sure if it's over a certain amount it's ok in general or if there should be a particular minimum ratio?

 

 

 

I don't have a LOT of uploads, but when I do want to upload, I want it to be pretty decent. I have 70/30 VDSL I don't really want to drop below 30. I do want the fastest download I can get, but the Gigabit plans are a bit beyond what I am comfortable paying or are cheap but with providers, I'd prefer to avoid like Slingshot. 

 

 

 

I am hoping for Voyager to have a pricing review soon and maybe they will fall into the same line as the others.

 

 


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  Reply # 2205248 26-Mar-2019 19:23
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richms:

 

If you remain on VDSL when you have fiber available then please deposit your geek creds in the trash on your way out.

 

 

I stuck with ADSL2+/Vodafone VDSL (which never worked), for at least a year because someone here whom I respect had suggested in another forum post that more bandwidth was allocated to cabinets xDSL backbone resources as people shifted on to fibre in wealthier suburbs. It was a good theory or so I thought, but the real world proved otherwise. I guess he might have been joking...

 

My geek creds are still intact I think, having hand soldered my phone wiring (after a scotchlock at my old place fell apart) at the demarc before it met a multicore 16 pair connection into the tarmac, tested sync,ping times, and relative speed tests, and then done the same with a screwdown electrical connector block rated for 240volts at ten amps. The latter gave me an additional 1-2 Mbps at that connection around 5 Kilometres from the nearest exchange with a Broadcom chipset based modem.

 

If that's not geeky enough - then how about my now delayed plan to attach my oscilloscope with FFT spectrum analyser mode to the property with a VDSL connection, to watch the frequency bins at play? 🤓


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  Reply # 2205310 26-Mar-2019 20:44
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xpd:

 

Sounds like youve had a bad line. My speed has been steady overall, but was getting a lot of drop outs. Swapped out the router and the drop outs have almost vanished. 

 

 

Evidently, but ISP response has been that as long as I'm syncing at over 5mbps, I'm within the "normal parameters" for VDSL and they won't look at it. The fact that my line is capable of syncing at 70/30 is apparently irrelevant.

 

This is exactly why fibre is superior and everyone should switch to it as soon as it's available :)


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  Reply # 2205319 26-Mar-2019 20:56
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allio:

 

xpd:

 

Sounds like youve had a bad line. My speed has been steady overall, but was getting a lot of drop outs. Swapped out the router and the drop outs have almost vanished. 

 

 

Evidently, but ISP response has been that as long as I'm syncing at over 5mbps, I'm within the "normal parameters" for VDSL and they won't look at it. The fact that my line is capable of syncing at 70/30 is apparently irrelevant.

 

This is exactly why fibre is superior and everyone should switch to it as soon as it's available :)

 

 

to be fair, that is a valid fault... provider shouldnt be pushing you away for a reduction that large in sync rate.





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  Reply # 2205376 26-Mar-2019 22:06
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The key thing that fibre has over xDSL that is not often noted, is minimal latency and jitter, if you are remoting into networks/servers a lot either RDP/VNC or SSH then its quite tangible. This is all aside of any speed related comments.

 

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  Reply # 2205435 27-Mar-2019 01:08
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cyril7:

 

The key thing that fibre has over xDSL that is not often noted, is minimal latency and jitter, if you are remoting into networks/servers a lot either RDP/VNC or SSH then its quite tangible. This is all aside of any speed related comments.

 

Cyril

 

 

it also has a sqeew of massively improved SLA's compared to copper, many are provisioning related, but also assurance is in there.

 

 

 

Not even kidding, the time to resolution for faults is quite different. 





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  Reply # 2205437 27-Mar-2019 01:34
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It's interesting you say that. In terms of tickets opened for Copper vs Fibre Copper is almost always resolved faster in my experience recently, but to be fair, both are FAR better than they were say 2-3 years ago.

 

It's rare in my experience to not get a same day resolution. I have had copper fixed in under 90 minutes recently.


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  Reply # 2205449 27-Mar-2019 05:46
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depends on the level of the fault, my copper fault took 5 days to fix as there was water in the line and they needed to connect another one. doesnt happen with fibre


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  Reply # 2205543 27-Mar-2019 11:21
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hio77:

 

to be fair, that is a valid fault... provider shouldnt be pushing you away for a reduction that large in sync rate.

 

 

I thought so too, but apparently not. I was told that unless my upstream remained consistently below 5mbps, Chorus would not look at it, and if Bigpipe insisted, I would be charged the unnecessary callout fee. Helped with my decision to leave Bigpipe.

 

The problem with VDSL is how changeable it is. 55/2 this morning, which probably would get a response... but on past form, within a day or two I'll be up above the threshhold again. The great thing about fibre is that it's rock solid and there's no such thing as "acceptable parameters" for it to be operating in - either it's perfect, or there's a fault which needs to be fixed.


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  Reply # 2205686 27-Mar-2019 14:25
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Well, just sent an email to Voyager, grovelling for a new plan that's 100/50 or better without blowing the budget ;)

 

Don't ask, you don't get.....

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 2205694 27-Mar-2019 14:44
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allio:

 

hio77:

 

to be fair, that is a valid fault... provider shouldnt be pushing you away for a reduction that large in sync rate.

 

 

I thought so too, but apparently not. I was told that unless my upstream remained consistently below 5mbps, Chorus would not look at it, and if Bigpipe insisted, I would be charged the unnecessary callout fee. Helped with my decision to leave Bigpipe.

 

The problem with VDSL is how changeable it is. 55/2 this morning, which probably would get a response... but on past form, within a day or two I'll be up above the threshhold again. The great thing about fibre is that it's rock solid and there's no such thing as "acceptable parameters" for it to be operating in - either it's perfect, or there's a fault which needs to be fixed.

 

 

Bleh. there is a matrix for handling that.

 

 

 

BP are normally one of the shining stars on average in applying this IMO.

 

Chrous are looking at changes for repeat faults falling into it automatically through which will ease the pain a tad.

 

 





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  Reply # 2206084 28-Mar-2019 09:02
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Did a bit of poking around last night.... assuming Voyager dont offer a 100/50 or 100/100 plan....

 

Option 1:

 

Stay as I am.

 

Option 2:

 

Go fiber with Voyager 100/20

 

Option 3:

 

Go fiber with @Bigpipe 100/100 and 2Talk for voice - for basic voice, will be paying $5 more than currently am (net + voice), but with less minutes - the joys of living "out of Auckland".

 

 

 

I can live without a phone, but wife cant at the moment. 

 

 





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