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  #2405626 24-Jan-2020 07:16
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As fixed wireless keeps chipping away at the residential market, I think offering silly speed upgrades (by that I mean bandwidth so high that virtually no one can practically utilise in the near term) will become Chorus's only trump card. I can't see them voluntarily lowering wholesale prices on the base plan - increasing bandwidth is their only option.

 

Of course, they made need to do the same for their backhaul offering to nudge RSPs to actually offer the higher bandwidth plans.


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  #2406198 24-Jan-2020 18:57
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I can't see them voluntarily lowering wholesale prices on the base plan - increasing bandwidth is their only option.

 

 

I dunno given how overpriced we are on the global stage I'd quite like to see some government intervention to drop prices.

 

TLDR, out of 196 countries measured, we come 125th for price. Things are better than the old Telecom days in some ways, but still the same in others. When the government forces the price to a point that literally makes Chorus shareholders cry and threaten lawsuits, then I think we'll have reached the appropriate pricing level.

 

 

 

 





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  #2406217 24-Jan-2020 20:00
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As fixed wireless keeps chipping away at the residential market, I think offering silly speed upgrades (by that I mean bandwidth so high that virtually no one can practically utilise in the near term) will become Chorus's only trump card. I can't see them voluntarily lowering wholesale prices on the base plan - increasing bandwidth is their only option.


Of course, they made need to do the same for their backhaul offering to nudge RSPs to actually offer the higher bandwidth plans.


As if this wasn't already happening with the whole "family plan" content for gig offerings chorus push.




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  #2406287 24-Jan-2020 21:25
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703:

 

Why have Chorus chosen an ONT that doesn't fit inside a typical residential cabinet?

 

 

Because it's the only XGPON ONT with RGW that Nokia currently have in production.

 

 


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Lias:

 

nickb800:

 

I can't see them voluntarily lowering wholesale prices on the base plan - increasing bandwidth is their only option.

 

 

I dunno given how overpriced we are on the global stage I'd quite like to see some government intervention to drop prices.

 

TLDR, out of 196 countries measured, we come 125th for price. Things are better than the old Telecom days in some ways, but still the same in others. When the government forces the price to a point that literally makes Chorus shareholders cry and threaten lawsuits, then I think we'll have reached the appropriate pricing level.

 

 

That's a really terrible metric. I mean, there are certainly plenty of countries with much cheaper fast broadband than NZ (e.g. Romania), but most of those above us by that ranking system are not comparable. Their average plan cost may be much cheaper, but the speed for that price is also much, much lower. I mean, Syria is the cheapest at a mere $6.60 USD/month... for 2Mbps. Or how about #8, Kazakhstan, where the average is $11.10 USD - for around 1Mbps. I don't know about you, but I'd take $120 NZD for 1Gbps over that any day! 1Gbps isn't even available in those countries, but if it was, it would be far more than $120 NZD.

 

A better measure (using the same dataset) would be to rank by $/Mbps. That puts NZ at a more respectable (and realistic) 43rd place. But even this metric has big issues, as the prices given are the average of all plans they found. This means you get anomalies like Japan, which would rank 108th, despite being cheaper than NZ for Gbit plans - because they also have a lot of super low-speed (like 1Mbps) ADSL plans, which pulls up the average $/Mbit, whereas you're not going to find many broadband plans advertised < 24Mbps ("line-speed" ADSL2) in NZ.

 

Then there's things like data caps, and real-world performance. You really can't measure something like broadband price with a single number. You have to look at multiple things. That said, I agree that it's not super cheap in NZ - but nothing is, really.


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Also as quick and simple addendum to Screeb - Population Density. It costs a lot more to get a connection to 100 people here than it does in some of these other high density locations, which helps justify network build and low cost to recover what is spent.

 

I guarantee the network we have here today wouldn't exist if it weren't for the NZPO and other acts of Government intervention post NZPO, we'd just have build in high density, profitable locations.





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Screeb: That's a really terrible metric. I mean, there are certainly plenty of countries with much cheaper fast broadband than NZ (e.g. Romania), but most of those above us by that ranking system are not comparable. Their average plan cost may be much cheaper, but the speed for that price is also much, much lower. I mean, Syria is the cheapest at a mere $6.60 USD/month... for 2Mbps. Or how about #8, Kazakhstan, where the average is $11.10 USD - for around 1Mbps. I don't know about you, but I'd take $120 NZD for 1Gbps over that any day! 1Gbps isn't even available in those countries, but if it was, it would be far more than $120 NZD.

 

A better measure (using the same dataset) would be to rank by $/Mbps. That puts NZ at a more respectable (and realistic) 43rd place. But even this metric has big issues, as the prices given are the average of all plans they found. This means you get anomalies like Japan, which would rank 108th, despite being cheaper than NZ for Gbit plans - because they also have a lot of super low-speed (like 1Mbps) ADSL plans, which pulls up the average $/Mbit, whereas you're not going to find many broadband plans advertised < 24Mbps ("line-speed" ADSL2) in NZ.

 

Then there's things like data caps, and real-world performance. You really can't measure something like broadband price with a single number. You have to look at multiple things. That said, I agree that it's not super cheap in NZ - but nothing is, really.

 

 

The main issue is the cost of the build and thus the regulated wholesale rate.

 

If NZ didn't have health and safety or minimum wages then the network could have been built for a whole lot less, then the regulated wholesale input cost would be less.

 

But we don't, and have a fairly good standard of living for a first world country. To compare against other 2nd or 3rd world countries who aren't doing a nationwide roll-out compared to NZ with a fairly sparsely populated and very hilly country outside he main centres.

 

I don't think any price comparison is fair as it doesn't compare median wage (of the consumers ability to pay the plan and wages to run an ISP of any scale) vs cost and scope of fibre deployment nationwide vs how the deployment in each country is split wholesale/retail and if the wholesale is subsidised by the government vs actual cost of the retail service.

 

If we look across to Australia and see how they have completed messed up their deployment vs how things have gone here. I am more then happy to pay more for broadband if we know it works. Here in NZ we know it works with at least 99.99% reliability even if we are paying for a best efforts service. Taking into account all the factors in NZ it's my view we have very excellent value broadband for what we all receive.





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  #2406467 25-Jan-2020 09:44
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sbiddle:

 

703:

 

Why have Chorus chosen an ONT that doesn't fit inside a typical residential cabinet?

 

 

Because it's the only XGPON ONT with RGW that Nokia currently have in production.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guess I will wait a few years to see if they will release ONT's that can flush mounted like the existing model 200 and 300.

 

Just have to stick to 1000/500 for the time being.


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  #2406489 25-Jan-2020 10:49
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Those metrics aren't really that great. They fail to look at the types of technology nor the connections used.

 

Like most things in life price does not determine quality and being cheaper is not always better. The fact Gigabit fibre is available to over 80% of NZ premises is amazing feat and something we should be very proud of. The fact Gigabit fibre is available for a price that's highly competitive with the rest of the world and less than countries like the US is something many seem to overlook.

 

 

 

 


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sbiddle:

 

.......snip

 

The fact Gigabit fibre is available for a price that's highly competitive with the rest of the world and less than countries like the US is something many seem to overlook.

 

 

 

 

And mainstream media are unlikely or clever enough to pick up on that, all they find is some ferrel cleric in the wops that decides to b1tch about the fact that he cannot get service like they do in town for the same cost blah blah blah

 

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sbiddle:

 

.......snip

 

The fact Gigabit fibre is available for a price that's highly competitive with the rest of the world and less than countries like the US is something many seem to overlook.

 

 

 

 

And mainstream media are unlikely or clever enough to pick up on that, all they find is some ferrel cleric in the wops that decides to b1tch about the fact that he cannot get service like they do in town for the same cost blah blah blah

 

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