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  # 2357557 19-Nov-2019 23:16
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The interesting comments I can see here is talk of "international congestion".

 

Sorry but there is no such thing, there is plenty of capacity available on SCCN today. Then with TGA and Hawaiki..... Capacity is not something NZ will need to face for many years to come.

 

Sure it may not be at the wholesale rate your RSP desires but international costs still only represent less than $5 across your whole connection cost.

 

But one thing I know won't change and that is the speed of light. So until someone can solve that one the latency experienced to AU and US will remain the same which in turn creates a perception of a speed limit due to TCP window and round trip times.





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  # 2357560 20-Nov-2019 00:02
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The problem with NZ internet is not speed. It’s that no cloud providers will ever host here as we have third world carrier neutral internet exchanges and a small population base.






 
 
 
 


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  # 2357648 20-Nov-2019 09:24
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703: The problem with NZ internet is not speed. It’s that no cloud providers will ever host here as we have third world carrier neutral internet exchanges and a small population base.

 

 

 

I can't tell if that should've had an /s next to it? 

 

Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I say that, because the reasons you've listed, to me as a SysAdmin, means that our country is ideal for a cloud provider. 

Neutral internet exchanges, with limited population = low utilisation of network  = less congestion of traffic

 

At least from my perspective. We also have some good data centers here too.






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  # 2358049 20-Nov-2019 16:02
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BarTender:

 

But one thing I know won't change and that is the speed of light. So until someone can solve that one the latency experienced to AU and US will remain the same which in turn creates a perception of a speed limit due to TCP window and round trip times.

 

 

Well, that's exactly the elephant in the room - that appears to be ignored by the marketing material telling us about all the benefits to be had by super fast access plans in NZ. Light is pretty slow in optical fibres, but it's the TCP window settings that typically create the appearance of international congestion. Of course, REANNZ has avoided this on its international links by engineering extremely low packet loss and opening up all the TCP parameters to allow for the round trip acknowledgement delay. RSPs could potentially do the same thing, but no sign of this happening to date - and even the stacks on consumer equipment would need to be managed.

 

I guess that "Hyperfibre", to start with at least, will be principally a really fast content delivery network?

 

Alan.


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  # 2363681 30-Nov-2019 19:09
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703: The problem with NZ internet is not speed. It’s that no cloud providers will ever host here as we have third world carrier neutral internet exchanges and a small population base.

 

 

 

Plenty of neutral exchanges.  Population is a bit on the low side, but considering Azure has Sydney, Melbourne, and Canberra locations I'd say the NZ population is high enough.

 

 

 

The problem is TICSA. AWS and co just don't want to deal with it. It's much easier just to put everything in Sydney.


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  # 2363689 30-Nov-2019 19:51
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any word on Enable offering 10gb?


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