Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




4 posts

Wannabe Geek


# 261737 12-Dec-2019 13:13
Send private message quote this post

1 year ago, I switched from Vodafone to MyRepublic because of cost. I heard so many bad experiences with MyRepublic but so far I didn't experience any of those. I switched  even checking. As a consequence, I can't use my web server for almost a year now. I thought of going back to 2degrees but I saw that they now implemented CG-NAT. I saw some threads discussing CG-NAT but I just want to know if there's an updated list of ISPs that don't use CG-NAT.

 

PS
I don't want to pay extra just for public IP. My current plan is Myrepublic UFB 200/20 - 62.99/month
Decent connection. I get connection hiccups sometimes but very minimal.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2
799 posts

Ultimate Geek


  # 2374230 12-Dec-2019 13:18
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

Spark/Skinny/Bigpipe (all owned by Spark) definitely don't. There are others but the majority of providers now do use CGNat by default. 


1474 posts

Uber Geek

Subscriber

  # 2374233 12-Dec-2019 13:37
Send private message quote this post

MyRep charges $10pm for static ip, as you are probably aware (I assume thats the same as public ip but I know nowt about that kind of stuff).

 

I get you don't want to pay extra but also doubt you'll find anything cheaper, not that I've looked.





rb99


 
 
 
 




4 posts

Wannabe Geek


  # 2374234 12-Dec-2019 13:39
Send private message quote this post

Yes. I just searched now and seems still cheaper to just add 10/mo from them. Cheers!


655 posts

Ultimate Geek


  # 2374239 12-Dec-2019 13:47
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

Bigpipe only charge a one off fee of $45 for a static IP. 


118 posts

Master Geek


  # 2374315 12-Dec-2019 15:50
Send private message quote this post

With Bigpipe with a Static IP (one off fee to provision) non cg-nat issues which unless you get a Static IP all ISPs will eventually have to do due to IPV4 allocation becoming exhausted

CG nat is only an issue for IPSEC VPNs and geeks like us who run servers at home

394 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted
Trustpower

  # 2374325 12-Dec-2019 16:11
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

While Trustpower do use CGNAT by default on some plans, you can request a Public Dynamic IP for Free (Via Webchat/Call Centre) or a Static IP for $5 per month. 





Any comments made are my personal views and does not represent those of my employer


2955 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  # 2374361 12-Dec-2019 17:20
Send private message quote this post

nztim: With Bigpipe with a Static IP (one off fee to provision) non cg-nat issues which unless you get a Static IP all ISPs will eventually have to do due to IPV4 allocation becoming exhausted

CG nat is only an issue for IPSEC VPNs and geeks like us who run servers at home


 

This is inaccurate as the larger ISPs (Spark & Vodafone) have plenty of IP so unless the significant increase in the NZ population there won't be a problem for many years to come or ever.

 

Vodafone and Spark will probably never run out of IPv4 but they charge $10 per month for a Static IP.

 

I'm fairly sure both Bigpipe and Voyager offer a Static IP for a one off cost.





and


 
 
 
 


569 posts

Ultimate Geek

Subscriber

  # 2374405 12-Dec-2019 18:47
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

Slingshot is Not CG-NAT

 

IPs are public and very sticky. I've had the same IP for the last three years at least.


2987 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2374407 12-Dec-2019 18:57
Send private message quote this post

Senecio:

 

Bigpipe only charge a one off fee of $45 for a static IP. 

 

 

Stuff charge $50





Common sense is not as common as you think.


'That VDSL Cat'
11547 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Spark
Subscriber

  # 2374409 12-Dec-2019 19:08
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

djtOtago:

 

Slingshot is Not CG-NAT

 

IPs are public and very sticky. I've had the same IP for the last three years at least.

 

 

It's all the gum @sounddude has stuck in there..





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.


3427 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  # 2378106 18-Dec-2019 23:25
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

Most ISPs will be looking at some sort of CG-NAT for v4 dual stacked with IPv6 as their future pathway. 

 

IPv4 has indeed now run out and so ISPs cant get any more except on the reseller market. Pricing is high enough that its not worth it - CG-NAT is cheaper than buying blocks of IPv4.  





Ray Taylor
Taylor Broadband (rural hawkes bay)
www.ruralkiwi.com

There is no place like localhost
For my general guide to extending your wireless network Click Here




126 posts

Master Geek


  # 2379778 22-Dec-2019 09:45
Send private message quote this post

I would be happy just with a dynamic IP. 

 

It is allowing P2P and configuring a dynamic domain name is not a rocket science. 

 

CG-NAT is an evil. Providers that are using it should be named and shamed. 

 

I'm looking forward for the end of my contract with 2D to switch to other RSP.


28598 posts

Uber Geek

Moderator
Trusted
Biddle Corp
Lifetime subscriber

  # 2379820 22-Dec-2019 10:08
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

spoonboy:

 

I would be happy just with a dynamic IP. 

 

It is allowing P2P and configuring a dynamic domain name is not a rocket science. 

 

CG-NAT is an evil. Providers that are using it should be named and shamed. 

 

I'm looking forward for the end of my contract with 2D to switch to other RSP.

 

 

I'm curious why you think CG-NAT is evil - the simple reality is for 99.9% of Internet users it makes zero difference, and actually offers some significant benefits without people realising such as improving their security presence online.

 

Why have you not just asked 2D for a dynamic public IP? They've giving them for free if you ask and it would save you all the stress of having to change providers.

 

 

 

 


7205 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 2379829 22-Dec-2019 10:48
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

Hi, as Steve says, whats so evil with CG-Nat, I see this brought up time and time again. For 99% of folk they will not and do not know the difference, as most folk only use applications creating outbound connections.

 

I have seen some folk imply CG-Nat increases latency and lowers throughput, this is complete and utter rubbish, typically the hardware ISPs use to run CG-Nat are designed to do this without impact.

 

As for those that do want a public IP, you dont need to pay for a static, just request a dynamic and run a dynamic dns service within you network, problem solved.

 

Cyril


1278 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2379836 22-Dec-2019 11:06
Send private message quote this post

cyril7: As for those that do want a public IP, you dont need to pay for a static, just request a dynamic and run a dynamic dns service within you network, problem solved.

 

Is a free dynamic IP an option anywhere that primarily uses CGNAT?

 

Most of the "I need a static IP" comments I've seen around are from people who see the options as CGNAT or static, which matches my personal observation that once an ISP rolls out CGNAT your options seem to be paying for a static IP or being stuck being CGNAT.





rm *


 1 | 2
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Switch your broadband provider now - compare prices


Twitter and LinkedIn »



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Ring launches indoor-only security camera
Posted 23-Jan-2020 17:26


New report findings will help schools implement the digital technologies curriculum content
Posted 23-Jan-2020 17:25


N4L to upgrade & support wireless internet inside schools
Posted 23-Jan-2020 17:22


Netflix releases 21 Studio Ghibli works
Posted 22-Jan-2020 11:42


Vodafone integrates eSIM into device and wearable roadmap
Posted 17-Jan-2020 09:45


Do you need this camera app? Group investigates privacy implications
Posted 16-Jan-2020 03:30


JBL launches headphones range designed for gaming
Posted 13-Jan-2020 09:59


Withings introduces ScanWatch wearable combining ECG and sleep apnea detection
Posted 9-Jan-2020 18:34


NZ Police releases public app
Posted 8-Jan-2020 11:43


Suunto 7 combine sports and smart features on new smartwatch generation
Posted 7-Jan-2020 16:06


Intel brings innovation with technology spanning the cloud, network, edge and PC
Posted 7-Jan-2020 15:54


AMD announces high performance desktop and ultrathin laptop processors
Posted 7-Jan-2020 15:42


AMD unveils four new desktop and mobile GPUs including AMD Radeon RX 5600
Posted 7-Jan-2020 15:32


Consolidation in video streaming market with Spark selling Lightbox to Sky
Posted 19-Dec-2019 09:09


Intel introduces cryogenic control chip to enable quantum computers
Posted 10-Dec-2019 21:32



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.