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  #2508053 19-Jun-2020 13:08
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These savings should not be passed onto the consumers as right now it's a race to the bottom for the retailers

 



It is a race to the bottom which is excellent for consumers. If RSPs can't differentiate themselves in any meaningful way then they rely on price. 

 

Good point. Before I joined an ISP in NZ years ago I asked if they had a USENET service. They did and I joined.

 

They don't now so I left them. My current ISP (Orcon) doesn't even offer an email service to new customers.

 

'ISP' in NZ means internet connection provider, not internet service provider.

 

 


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  #2508145 19-Jun-2020 14:28
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Wait till they get a DFAS quote.... we don't have any Chorus DFAS but lots of Vital Dark Fibre and it isn't cheap!

 

 

DFAS is cheap for what it is.





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  #2508166 19-Jun-2020 15:02
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Pricing is still way to high. I've got family in the UK on Fibre for under UKP 30 /month now including phone line, I'm paying 50% more for naked fibre.

 

15-20 years ago out pricing was below or similar, now we're considerably more expensive.





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  #2508171 19-Jun-2020 15:11
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Pricing is still way to high. I've got family in the UK on Fibre for under UKP 30 /month now including phone line, I'm paying 50% more for naked fibre.

 

15-20 years ago out pricing was below or similar, now we're considerably more expensive.

 

 

what speed is that though?

 

you have to compare apples with apples


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  #2508174 19-Jun-2020 15:14
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I don't think it's realistic to compare NZ prices with larger more densely populated countries. They benefit from economies of scale we just don't have.


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  #2508176 19-Jun-2020 15:18
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Pricing is still way to high. I've got family in the UK on Fibre for under UKP 30 /month now including phone line, I'm paying 50% more for naked fibre.

 

15-20 years ago out pricing was below or similar, now we're considerably more expensive.

 

 

@openmedia What data cap and what speed? Please provide more information to back this up!


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  #2508181 19-Jun-2020 15:21
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Many UK ISPs advertise ADSL2 as 'fibre', under the logic that it's fibre as far as the cabinet!


 
 
 
 


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  #2508182 19-Jun-2020 15:23
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These savings should not be passed onto the consumers as right now it's a race to the bottom for the retailers

 



It is a race to the bottom which is excellent for consumers. If RSPs can't differentiate themselves in any meaningful way then they rely on price. Consumers don't care about the RSPs business, it's not their job to.

 

Lowest price is not always a good thing for consumers. The technical know-how and skills involved in running an ISP is fairly considerable. 

 

This is a race to the bottom for peoples salaries too!

 

 


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  #2508239 19-Jun-2020 15:45
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Handle9:It is a race to the bottom which is excellent for consumers. If RSPs can't differentiate themselves in any meaningful way then they rely on price. Consumers don't care about the RSPs business, it's not their job to.


Lowest price is not always a good thing for consumers. The technical know-how and skills involved in running an ISP is fairly considerable. 


This is a race to the bottom for peoples salaries too!


 



Sure. None of that is the consumers problem and it won't make any difference to their buying decisions. They don't care what employees get paid, they don't care about the skills involved.

They care about what value they get and what they pay. If a RSP can demonstrate extra value they can charge more. If they can't then they are commodities and commodities are generally bought on cost.

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  #2508260 19-Jun-2020 16:27
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Sure. None of that is the consumers problem and it won't make any difference to their buying decisions. They don't care what employees get paid, they don't care about the skills involved.

They care about what value they get and what they pay. If a RSP can demonstrate extra value they can charge more. If they can't then they are commodities and commodities are generally bought on cost.

 

You look at the very short term perspective. Sure, companies can run down their condition's and salaries in the race to the bottom  -- but, how does this play out in the long term?

 

You're completely right about selling 'bits' being a commodity. Maybe it is just not a career that smart people should consider in the future. 


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  #2508265 19-Jun-2020 16:34
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Sure. None of that is the consumers problem and it won't make any difference to their buying decisions. They don't care what employees get paid, they don't care about the skills involved.

They care about what value they get and what they pay. If a RSP can demonstrate extra value they can charge more. If they can't then they are commodities and commodities are generally bought on cost.


You look at the very short term perspective. Sure, companies can run down their condition's and salaries in the race to the bottom  -- but, how does this play out in the long term?


You're completely right about selling 'bits' being a commodity. Maybe it is just not a career that smart people should consider in the future. 



I'm not taking a position on what is right or wrong, I'm just describing how consumers behave.

he companies just react to what is bought. There's nothing moral about it, it's just the way it is.

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  #2508273 19-Jun-2020 16:52
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Many UK ISPs advertise ADSL2 as 'fibre', under the logic that it's fibre as far as the cabinet!

 

 

So does the NBN in Aus

 

1GBPS to my brothers basement, VDSL to each apartment - Regardless of the 130mbps sync speed the only time he ever gets that is 4am!

 

EDIT here is the UK stats:

 

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/01/2019-h2-uk-superfast-broadband-covers-96-5-as-fttp-on-11.html

 

Only 11% of the UK have full fibre (FTTP)

 

59% have 100+ MBPS FTTN (Fibre to the Node, VDSL to the Premise)

 

97% ADSL2+

 

2% <10MBPS


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  #2508577 20-Jun-2020 09:29
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openmedia:

 

Pricing is still way to high. I've got family in the UK on Fibre for under UKP 30 /month now including phone line, I'm paying 50% more for naked fibre.

 

15-20 years ago out pricing was below or similar, now we're considerably more expensive.

 

 

@openmedia What data cap and what speed? Please provide more information to back this up!

 

 

 

 

Uncapped "Fibre" plan which is really Fibre to the Node and then VSDL. Speeds I'll need to get my brother to check as they've just switched plans and had a speed upgrade. At Christmas as was getting around 40+ Mb/s down





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  #2508581 20-Jun-2020 09:36
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Superfast Fibre + TalkTalk TV - https://www.talktalk.co.uk/shop/broadband/fibrespeedboost for £27.50/month

 

or

 

Superfast Fibre + SuperSafe Boost for £23.50 a month





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  #2508586 20-Jun-2020 09:57
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openmedia:

 

Superfast Fibre + TalkTalk TV - https://www.talktalk.co.uk/shop/broadband/fibrespeedboost for £27.50/month

 

or

 

Superfast Fibre + SuperSafe Boost for £23.50 a month

 

 

so not comparable to anything we have on offer then.

 

 


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