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Zander
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  #2677576 20-Mar-2021 13:04
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sidney:

 

Zander:

 

That's correct.  Dishy needs to see the entire 'bright' area of the circle, and there shouldn't be anything in the camera blocking that 'bright' circle view.  The 'direction' Dishy will adjust to face is the lowest point of that bright circle.  Is that still north, or where?

 

 

Yes, straight north. The thing I'm not sure of is whether mounting it on the north side of the house on the pole I showed in that picture I uploaded is sufficient so that the roof behind it to the south is not in the bright circle's field of view. I still have the problem that I can't see anything on the phone screen when I am outside. Even though the screen is bright enough to see when I run the camera app, the starlink app dims the "bright" circle too much to see in daylight. I asked about that on the starlink_support reddit and was told that behaviour seems to have started about last week and seems like a new bug in the app.

 

 

I just tried using my iPhone 8 indoors and spinning around.  That gives you an idea of how the 'circle' works.  For me, the 'rear' of the circle is almost straight-up so I'd be surprised if the roof behind would interfere.

 

Could you use the App earlier/later in the day or on a cloudy day?

 

PS - I chatted to satellitemap.space guy, and he's going to make Dishy's direction configurable on that website as there's too much variation in which direction it points in the end.  The only reliable way to find out is the App and Dishy itself for now.


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Zander
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  #2677593 20-Mar-2021 13:46
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Possibly the first customer Dishy has arrived in NZ (Christchurch).  Hopefully the person might provide their feedback here too.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/m8qwia/anyone_else_in_christchurch_nz_receive_their_or/


sidney
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  #2677594 20-Mar-2021 13:48
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Zander:

 

I just tried using my iPhone 8 indoors and spinning around.  That gives you an idea of how the 'circle' works.  For me, the 'rear' of the circle is almost straight-up so I'd be surprised if the roof behind would interfere.

 

Could you use the App earlier/later in the day or on a cloudy day?

 

PS - I chatted to satellitemap.space guy, and he's going to make Dishy's direction configurable on that website as there's too much variation in which direction it points in the end.  The only reliable way to find out is the App and Dishy itself for now.

 

 

I did it indoors too and got the same sense.  I took another look at the pole and the roof and I was wrong that there was any higher roof towards the south, the top of the pole is above the highest ridge, so no problem.

 

My partner has better eyes than I do and was able to barely make out the screen after I disabled adaptive brightness on the phone and set it as bright as possible. It looks like not only will that pole location work but we'll be able to initially test Dishy placed in a temporary location clamped to the rail of the north deck before having to bolt anything to the house. I guess I will have to replace the existing pole with something bigger than the 25 or 30mm pipe that is there now.

 

 




Zander
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  #2677596 20-Mar-2021 13:53
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sidney:

 

I did it indoors too and got the same sense.  I took another look at the pole and the roof and I was wrong that there was any higher roof towards the south, the top of the pole is above the highest ridge, so no problem.

 

My partner has better eyes than I do and was able to barely make out the screen after I disabled adaptive brightness on the phone and set it as bright as possible. It looks like not only will that pole location work but we'll be able to initially test Dishy placed in a temporary location clamped to the rail of the north deck before having to bolt anything to the house. I guess I will have to replace the existing pole with something bigger than the 25 or 30mm pipe that is there now.

 

 

Glad you're getting there and got a solution :) 

 

Reading on Reddit, I think some people have plonked their wider Dishy pipe over the top of thinner pipes then secured with a screw or 2.  It sounds like you've got a backup plan and should have some time to think through anyway :) 


sidney
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  #2677613 20-Mar-2021 14:02
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Zander:

 

plonked their wider Dishy pipe over the top of thinner pipes then secured with a screw or 2.

 

 

Wouldn't even need the pipe mounting kit for that, but the weak point would be the horizontal bottom section of the J so it still might be too subject to movement in high wind.

 

 


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  #2677619 20-Mar-2021 14:56
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I'm currently in an inactive cell that is surrounded by active cells (at my location can only place a preorder; further around can place full orders). This allowed me to roughly work out the location and extent of the cell based upon addresses that could place full orders and known properties of cells:

 

 

 


manaia36
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  #2677637 20-Mar-2021 15:29
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Zander:

 

manaia36:

 

Yeah just need to look on reddit etc to see what users are experiencing. Alot of Downtime and speed issues and disconnects.  Starlink is FAR from being stable this time and for $159 NZD a month + $799 for the hardware that definitely isn't cheaper than fibre. I've since cancelled my pre order for Starlink and got the $159 refund

 

 

 

 

Starlink was never intended to be cheaper than fibre - its always been intended to give a much better service to remote/rural users who can't get fibre.  If you can get fibre (or even great VDSL), then you definitely should! 

 

Starlink is currently still in 'beta' testing, originally titled "better than nothing".  Though its imperfect, most users on Reddit are very happy with their performance - just lately getting up to 400mbps.  Different regions may have better/worse performance as they iron out networking issues with each ground station etc.

 

 

 

 

Yeah I saw that massive speed boost people are getting on reddit and latency actually looks to be improving as well.  400mbps is impressiv this early on.

 

Now I am kinda wondering if i did do the right thing canceling my pre order. I may just bite the bullet and resubmit my order. It won't hurt. My area in East Otago is still pending service  "Mid to late 2021" anyway. I've noticed a little further south they can get it according to an address i entered on the starlink site. And I saw on reddit someone from Dunedin has had theirs shipped !

 

And as far as my VDSL goes. it's about 25-30mbps or so down and about 6 up. That's really not a lot of bandwidth for a household in 2021.

 

In our case Starlink definitely would be the cheaper option over a custom fibre install lol.




Zander
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  #2677643 20-Mar-2021 15:39
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zenourn:

 

I'm currently in an inactive cell that is surrounded by active cells (at my location can only place a preorder; further around can place full orders). This allowed me to roughly work out the location and extent of the cell based upon addresses that could place full orders and known properties of cells:

 

 

Wow - detailed investigation!  I'm a bit surprised you can order at all north of Christchurch. 

 

I tried a few 'plus codes' further north of Christchurch and that cell to the north may be a bit of an anomaly, as can't seem to get immediate orders northwards.  Perhaps they did some testing in that cell and its still 'live' as a result.


sidney
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  #2677692 20-Mar-2021 17:34
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I finally figured out how to use the app outside. I turned off adaptive brightness in the phone settings, turned brightness to maximum, and then used it with a dark bath towel over my head with the camera lens poking out :). I really did need it too, because there was just one spot on the corner of the railing on the deck where none of the house is in view of the circle. I should be able to clamp Dishy to the railing there as a temporary test setup, and replace the existing J-mount on the eave with a bigger one meant for a satellite dish with the pole mount kit as a permanent installation.

 

 


Zander
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  #2677725 20-Mar-2021 19:47
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I've had some friendly chats with https://satellitemap.space/ - and he's now added New Zealand's ground stations :) 

 

I also submitted the data to add to this map - https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1H1x8jZs8vfjy60TvKgpbYs_grargieVw&ll=42.838020714640045%2C-94.85800456250001&z=4

 

For reference, https://rrf.rsm.govt.nz/smart-web/smart/page/-smart/domain/licence/SelectLicencePage.wdk (licensee:starlink) has the ground station positions as NZ Grid References.  These can be converted to GPS using this old utility I found - https://www.linz.govt.nz/data/geodetic-system/download-geodetic-software/nz-map-reference-converter-download, then converted again using Google Maps to regular GPS lat/lon coordinates.


Zander
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  #2677912 21-Mar-2021 13:06
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Now that this map has been updated, it interesting to see what a 'respected' estimate of coverage for the NZ ground stations looks like based on their 25-degree minimum elevation angle.  Pretty huge if true!  This is effectively the max range at which a Starlink ground station can connect to a satellite overhead.  As these ground stations are larger and more powerful than the user Dishy terminals, they have a much greater range. 

 

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1H1x8jZs8vfjy60TvKgpbYs_grargieVw&ll=-43.340610746523154%2C165.60444826995445&z=5

 


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  #2677920 21-Mar-2021 14:38
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I was keeping an eye on the mesh trajectory plots moving across for a while. And it's probably not far off. There seemed to be few occasions when there is only 1 row in the circle passing over us. Usually 3-4

 

Looks like it's had some good enhancements. Zoom in and click on one and it now shows the rest in the bunch following behind with lines of direction

 

So happens NZ looks to be just on the right incline - if one passes over fiordland seems to almost meet the 53deg straight through the middle.


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  #2677923 21-Mar-2021 14:47
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53Deg bounding box over NZ in GE

 

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sidney
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  #2678072 21-Mar-2021 20:18
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sidney:

 

I finally figured out how to use the app outside. I turned off adaptive brightness in the phone settings, turned brightness to maximum, and then used it with a dark bath towel over my head 

 

 

 

 

Ok, I found a much better and less silly-looking way than the bath towel. I turned off adaptive brightness and set it bright like before, but this time tried it right after sunset, when everything was dimmer than full daylight but the sky was still bright enough to see easily. There was no problem at all. Later in full twilight/dusk is too dark already. Even a cloudy sky during the day was too much ambient light for me to see the screen. Right after the Sun went below the horizon was perfect.

 

 


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  #2678293 22-Mar-2021 11:03
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I just received my kit today in Christchurch, will get it set up tonight after work. the box is much bigger than i though...


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