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zenourn
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  #2694062 17-Apr-2021 08:19
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CrazyM:

 

Has anyone tried using a Vodafone Suresignal over Starlink yet? Is there any reason to assume it wouldn't work?

 

 

It should work, the only potential issue would be the additional latency due to everything going via Sydney (here is what I think is happening, will be able to confirm when I get my kit on Monday):

 


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  #2694064 17-Apr-2021 08:30
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I understand in the early days it only worked if on net with Voda, but that has long since changed.

So yes should work, but as you probably are aware siure signal is on death row.

Cyril

Edit stand corrected, from a cg nat aspect it probably won't work.

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  #2694070 17-Apr-2021 08:43
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CrazyM:

 

Has anyone tried using a Vodafone Suresignal over Starlink yet? Is there any reason to assume it wouldn't work?

 

 

 

 

I'm not personally familiar with it, but some Googling found that according to a report MC/159 Report on the Implications of Carrier Grade Network Address Translators Sure Signal would not work with CGNAT,

 

 

IPsec is used not only for VPNs, but also in other products and applications. As a consequence, all applications that use IPSec would fail behind NAT. For example, Vodafone's SureSignal mobile femtocell uses IPsec to secure connections back to Vodafone's network. This would not be possible behind CGN.

 

 

referencing Vodafone Sure Signal Network Setup Guide which says Sure Signal requires a DHCP assigned IP address that it is routable over the internet, i.e. seen by the Vodafone network as a public IP address.

 

Also see Vodafone NZ Sure Signal FAQ

 

 




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  #2694894 19-Apr-2021 17:30
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Starlink was delivered today and got it installed. Working, however got a public IP of 188.95.144.102 which is one of the IPs for Europe and ping time to any server in NZ is on the order of 650 ms (which matches everything being routed via Europe). Anyone else getting a non-NZ IP?


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  #2694948 19-Apr-2021 17:45
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zenourn:

 

Starlink was delivered today and got it installed. Working, however got a public IP of 188.95.144.102 which is one of the IPs for Europe and ping time to any server in NZ is on the order of 650 ms (which matches everything being routed via Europe). Anyone else getting a non-NZ IP?

 

 

 

 

That sounds very weird!  I gathered most NZ users were saying traffic going via Sydney, but Europe sounds extreme.  I hope a reboot, firmware update or bit of uptime will sort it to something more normal.


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  #2694965 19-Apr-2021 18:46
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Yes, have tried the reboot, no change, will need to see if magically fixes itself, otherwise log a fault.

 

I've had to make it the lowest priority route, going via Europe breaks most streaming services and the high latency makes anything interactive rather painful.


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  #2695064 19-Apr-2021 22:29
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I was heading up to Warkworth today and passed a truck towing four domes I am guessing are destined for Puwera or Te Hana. Hopefully they will be in service soon.



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  #2697297 23-Apr-2021 18:15
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All North Island ground stations have dishes!

 

I had to go to Auckland from Bay of Islands and back, so made a couple of detours to see the North Island locations.

 

Clevedon was quite a detour, and looked to be hidden 500m up a private driveway.  Luckily, the lady landowner was driving up the road and chatted a bit.  She didn't want anyone to come on site, but said there were dishes up there and also that the site was in a big feature article 'last week' in what I thought she said was 'The Mural' or 'The Rural'.  I thought she meant Rural News, but can't find anything there.  Its possible I misheard The Herald, which is a bit old news - other than I paid up and realised they mention Geekzone in a recent article :) No extra news about Clevedon in that I can see.  She also said the company involved was 'Cell O/S' which I think has been mentioned before?

 

The Te Hana site now has its domes installed, a bit hard to see behind quite high fencing.

 

 

 

The Puwera site looks as photo'd before.

 

 

This means that the North Island looks like it just needs to be 'turned on' to get Starlink access up here.

 

 


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  #2697478 24-Apr-2021 10:55
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Looks like another trip down to Ashburton to see if the Hinds site has been installed since my last visit a month ago.


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  #2697851 25-Apr-2021 17:24
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Here's what one of the NZ geo sat broadband providers has to say:   what does starlink mean for rural new-zealand 

 

(Wonder how long before they drop their prices?)


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  #2697867 25-Apr-2021 17:38
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tim0001:

 

Here's what one of the NZ geo sat broadband providers has to say:   what does starlink mean for rural new-zealand 

 

(Wonder how long before they drop their prices?)

 

 

A pretty balanced write-up from a 'competitor'.  I wonder if they even can reduce their prices, assuming they need the satellite operator itself to reduce prices first.

 

One big 'negative' they miss is 'reliability'.  Though I'm really looking forward to getting Starlink - its still 'beta' and connection reliability and ping/jitter are less than perfect for many, though hopefully getting there.

 

Another one is electricity cost, at 100 watts that could add $25+ a month onto many people electricity bills ontop of Starlink costs.

 

With all that, many sensible people are keeping their existing internet service too as 'backup' - which again add to the cost.


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  #2698674 27-Apr-2021 10:58
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My newly installed Honeywell surveillance camera NVR is remotely accessible via P2P using Starlink WAN.


  #2698742 27-Apr-2021 13:34
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Zander:

 

tim0001:

 

Here's what one of the NZ geo sat broadband providers has to say:   what does starlink mean for rural new-zealand 

 

(Wonder how long before they drop their prices?)

 

 

A pretty balanced write-up from a 'competitor'.  I wonder if they even can reduce their prices, assuming they need the satellite operator itself to reduce prices first.

 

One big 'negative' they miss is 'reliability'.  Though I'm really looking forward to getting Starlink - its still 'beta' and connection reliability and ping/jitter are less than perfect for many, though hopefully getting there.

 

Another one is electricity cost, at 100 watts that could add $25+ a month onto many people electricity bills ontop of Starlink costs.

 

With all that, many sensible people are keeping their existing internet service too as 'backup' - which again add to the cost.

 

 

100 watts load = ~2.4kWh/day = ~72kWh/month (30 days)
$25 / 72 = 34.72cents/kWh

 

If you're paying 35+ cents / unit, I think you should strongly consider changing suppliers: https://www.powerswitch.org.nz/

 

I'm on a 'low usage' tariff -lower daily charge, higher unit cost - and I'm paying 30.15 cents/unit.
If I had Starlink, it would cost me $21.71/month before discounts, under $20 after discounts.
[I won't be getting Starlink, my UFF fibre to the home is extremely adequate for my needs :)]


  #2698834 27-Apr-2021 16:13
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PolicyGuy:

 

100 watts load = ~2.4kWh/day = ~72kWh/month (30 days)
$25 / 72 = 34.72cents/kWh

 

If you're paying 35+ cents / unit, I think you should strongly consider changing suppliers: https://www.powerswitch.org.nz/

 

I'm on a 'low usage' tariff -lower daily charge, higher unit cost - and I'm paying 30.15 cents/unit.
If I had Starlink, it would cost me $21.71/month before discounts, under $20 after discounts.
[I won't be getting Starlink, my UFF fibre to the home is extremely adequate for my needs :)]

 

 

still something to consider on top of your internet plan price


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  #2698875 27-Apr-2021 16:50
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Jase2985:

PolicyGuy:


100 watts load = ~2.4kWh/day = ~72kWh/month (30 days)
$25 / 72 = 34.72cents/kWh


If you're paying 35+ cents / unit, I think you should strongly consider changing suppliers: https://www.powerswitch.org.nz/


I'm on a 'low usage' tariff -lower daily charge, higher unit cost - and I'm paying 30.15 cents/unit.
If I had Starlink, it would cost me $21.71/month before discounts, under $20 after discounts.
[I won't be getting Starlink, my UFF fibre to the home is extremely adequate for my needs :)]



still something to consider on top of your internet plan price


Definitely, I've been thinking about this myself. Might be worth it for some people to put Dishy on a timer to switch off overnight or when nobody's home. Could easily save $100/year over running 24/7.

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