CPE = Consumer Premises Equipment

RunningMan:

 

CPE = Consumer Premises Equipment

 

I think you have about as much chance there as with getting people to say "RSP" instead of "ISP".

Or is it basically a media converter [ fibre/light -> copper/electric ] with management ??

shk292:

 

Wombat1:

 

But the router is also a modem, as it still does contain the circuitry for a modem. Just because that circuitry is not in use does not mean its not a modem. Router is just as much an incorrect word as modem.

 

A gateway is probably the best term for such a device.

 

 

It also contains a switch, a USB host, a firewall, and a PSU amongst other things.  Of all the functions, the modem is the least important part when used for UFB so it is nonsensical to keep calling it a modem.  It would help if ISPs stopped referring to them all as modems.

 

If you're on UFB, you need a router.  Let's call them routers.

 

If you on UFB you need a modem too, you just already have one supplied by chorus. What do you refer to identical devices then that can be used on DSL or Fiber? Ie a 2Degrees Fritzbox? It makes no sense for ISP's to refer to the device as a modem, or router depending on the customer configuration. Calling it a router is just as wrong as calling it a modem :-)

Edit: I see Fritzbox themselves refer to their Fritzbox as a "modem router"

Clima:

 

Or is it basically a media converter [ fibre/light -> copper/electric ] with management ??

 

That's the ONT, it's the closest thing to a modem in UFB

Different box to the router (normally)

shk292:

 

That's the ONT, it's the closest thing to a modem in UFB

 

Different box to the router (normally)

 

And Chorus themselves complicate things even further:

This device is your Optical Network Terminal (ONT). It connects the modem supplied by your broadband provider to the Chorus fibre network.

https://www.chorus.co.nz/q/model-type-200

Here in Aus they refer to the ONT as just a "nbn network device" for FTTP. I have seen simular writeups about needing to plug your modem into it. Seems like its not just NZ that calls it a modem.

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology/fibre-to-the-premises-explained-fttp

As an adjunct to this, my daughter is sussing out a new ISP,

On the 2Degrees site they offer both a 'modem' (free with contract) AND an Orbi WiFi 'modem'.

So, does one get two modems/routers or are they just the one device?

Wombat1:

 

And Chorus themselves complicate things even further:

 

This device is your Optical Network Terminal (ONT). It connects the modem supplied by your broadband provider to the Chorus fibre network.

🤦‍♂️

 

https://www.chorus.co.nz/q/model-type-200

 

Here in Aus they refer to the ONT as just a "nbn network device" for FTTP. I have seen simular writeups about needing to plug your modem into it. Seems like its not just NZ that calls it a modem.

 

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/network-technology/fibre-to-the-premises-explained-fttp

 

 

 

Exactly my point - if industry starts using the right terminology, then eventually the public might follow suit.  

If we standardise on the use of 'router' - then it opens up to the various pronunciations - raowter vs rooter and the innuendos that subsequently arise as a result of the connotations of 'root'. 

Somehow I think 'modem' is just going to be easier in the long run. 

Tinkerisk:

 

My router is without a modem. 😋

Mehrts:

 

Tinkerisk:

 

My router is without a modem. 😋

@Tinkerisk, but is that an ISP offering? 🙃

 

Nope. Why should it be? 😄

A standard Fritz!Box contains the following components integrated into one single device:

1. MoDem (ADSL/VDSL/Docsis/Fiber)

2. Router (WAN port)

3. Switch (4 LAN ports)

4. Access Point (WiFi)

5. VoIP PBX analog/DECT

When the ISP provides an ONT, the Position 1 is omitted and the ONT is usually directly connected to Position 2 (WAN). This is called AON (Active Optical Network). The ONT can have the other stuff (Positions 2~5) included as well, but I‘ve never seen this in operation (at least here in Germany).

When the ISP just provides a fiber link but no ONT, you need a fiber version of the Fritz!Box (or whatever it is named by other manufacturers) which is directly plugged into the (optical) modem of the box. This is called PON (Passive Optical Network).

Fibre noob here. I have Chorus ONT 300 on my wall waiting for me to sign up to a provider.

I have also been quite confused with the term "modem" used by Fibre providers (and even Chorus!) which is supposed to be attached to the ONT. This topic sheds some good light on it though.

Can someone please confirm: if I simply want to use my fibre broadband with ONE laptop connected by Ethernet cable (no wi-fi), can I just plug it into the ONT without using any "modems"/routers? I suspect the answer is "Yes" but just want to be sure.

(Not that I actually want to do it, but the answer would shed ultimate light on the issue).

Thanks in advance 😌

Greendrake:

 

Fibre noob here. I have Chorus ONT 300 on my wall waiting for me to sign up to a provider.

 

I have also been quite confused with the term "modem" used by Fibre providers (and even Chorus!) which is supposed to be attached to the ONT. This topic sheds some good light on it though.

 

Can someone please confirm: if I simply want to use my fibre broadband with ONE laptop connected by Ethernet cable (no wi-fi), can I just plug it into the ONT without using any "modems"/routers? I suspect the answer is "Yes" but just want to be sure.

 

(Not that I actually want to do it, but the answer would shed ultimate light on the issue).

 

Thanks in advance 😌

 

 

 

depends on yoru provider and how they have the service provisioned 99.9% of providers you need to have a router connected to the ONT to do the router and the ONT is just acting as a fibre to Ethernet media converter.

so no you cant just plug into the ONT with your laptop and have it work without doing anything. You might be able to setup a PPPoE connection in your Operating system and have it work but thats a super clunky way to do it. so much easier to have a router there to deal with that sort of stuff not to mention the lack of security/firewall stuff by using the laptop.

tl::dr use a router plugged into the ONT and setup for your ISP and plug your laptop into that.

Greendrake:

 

Fibre noob here. I have Chorus ONT 300 on my wall waiting for me to sign up to a provider.

 

I have also been quite confused with the term "modem" used by Fibre providers (and even Chorus!) which is supposed to be attached to the ONT. This topic sheds some good light on it though.

 

Can someone please confirm: if I simply want to use my fibre broadband with ONE laptop connected by Ethernet cable (no wi-fi), can I just plug it into the ONT without using any "modems"/routers? I suspect the answer is "Yes" but just want to be sure.

 

(Not that I actually want to do it, but the answer would shed ultimate light on the issue).

 

Thanks in advance 😌

 

 

 

This is technically possible, but most ISPs need the thing connecting to the ONT (be it a router/Residential Gateway (RGW)/Customer Premises Equipment (CPE), or just a laptop) to speak specific settings - PPPoE over VLAN 10 is common, but some have other options. Setting this up on Windows is I believe a bit of a pain.

With the Model 300 ONT, there is the possibility for it to act as a router/RGW/CPE but very few ISPs are willing to set this up - see this thread.