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raytaylor
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  #3153292 29-Oct-2023 11:42
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mattwnz:

 

That name brings back memories. Weren't they the same ones that brought us free dialup internet 'Freenet' over 20 years ago? Seem to have been around for a long time. 

 

 

I believe that was mostly Clear.   

 

There was a landline call termination rate of something like 4 cents per minute that Clear had to pay Telecom and vice-versa for landline calls that were terminated on each others networks. This was in a time when local calls were free to residential users.   

 

Clear found a way to get heaps of Telecom residential users to call Clear lines was to host free dialup isp services using clear numbers.  

 

The Hot Gossip chat lines (advertised late night on tv if you were in auck/wlg/chch) were another way to do this.

So Telecom was paying clear millions per month in 4 cents per minute for local phone calls destined to the clear network.    

 

Telecom fought back of course in 1999/2000 with the 0867 dial code which then entered a legal battle with the commerce commission which wasnt finally sorted out until 2009. 

 

 

 

Later on there was a similar mandated termination rate for text messages.
When 2degrees started, they encouraged people to sign up by giving away cheap pre-pay sims and offering rewards. If you got 20,000 incoming text messages to you from telecom or vodafone, they would give you points that you could spend on appliances like a free TV. 
Telecom or Vodafone would then have to pay 2deg for each of those text messages delivered to 2deg customers.  





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  #3153293 29-Oct-2023 11:47
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It concerns me that an ISP would make such claims re. ping and latency.   

 

They exist even with such incompetence and customers shouldnt pay them money to enable their continued existence.  

 

I am all for supporting small companies, but they need to get their website checked over by a technician. 





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  #3153294 29-Oct-2023 11:47
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From memory - I was working at what was Paradise back then - I think if the call went from Clear to Telecom, the charge was higher as opposed to the other way around (Telecom to Clear - that charge was only a cent per minute or a fraction thereof) as Telecom had most of the landlines at that time, and I vaguely recall that they were assessed as already carrying most of the "burden" of the cost of supplying landlines. Telecom eventually got around the interconnect cost by implementing the much-loved (lol) 0867 system.

 

This was a long time ago, so apologies if I have some of this information incorrect.




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  #3153374 29-Oct-2023 13:21
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My thoughts!

 


Hyperfibre pings will be SLIGHTLY faster.  The ping messages have to be received totally before action. Hyperfibre messages will be about half the time length and therefore be received slightly faster. Not sure of the actual size of a Ping message but the time difference will only be measured in nanoseconds.

 


The more I think about this the more complex it becomes. My 300Mb/s link presumeably operates at Gb/s of which I only get a timed multiplexed portion. My message will be held by the ONT awaiting my turn -a variable but small delay. Similarly for the rest of its passage through the network.  

 

More thinking to do!!


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  #3153393 29-Oct-2023 14:24
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There's no thinking needed on the claims of latency. For all practical (and measurable by normal people) purposes, it's a misleading claim.

 

When challenged, Zeronet would not provide the testing they based their claims on.

 

I'm happy to (personally, not on behalf of my employer) say it's a lie. I can't tell if they are knowingly lying or not.

 

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  #3153457 29-Oct-2023 19:11
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Talkiet:

There's no thinking needed on the claims of latency. For all practical (and measurable by normal people) purposes, it's a misleading claim.


When challenged, Zeronet would not provide the testing they based their claims on.


I'm happy to (personally, not on behalf of my employer) say it's a lie. I can't tell if they are knowingly lying or not.


Cheers - N


 



Soo misleading

Maybe they should adopt this branding!

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  #3153467 29-Oct-2023 19:51
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mattwnz:

 

michaelmurfy:

 

 

 

They use Compass behind the scenes I believe and it is also owned by the same directors of Compass so the ties are there (despite being 2 separate companies).

 

 

 

 

That name brings back memories. Weren't they the same ones that brought us free dialup internet 'Freenet' over 20 years ago? Seem to have been around for a long time. 

 

 

 

 

Yes Freenet was run by Compass.  I used to work on their helpdesk back in those days and Freenet only had 0900 support.  It was a lot of fun dealing with customers who were already pissed off from the get go that they had to pay per minute for support!




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  #3157716 9-Nov-2023 16:41
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Just got connected today

Customer service just as bad as 2Degrees but my problem was mainly to do with Chorus and their utterly useless contractor UCG...

Will try speed and all later once setup is all done..

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  #3157722 9-Nov-2023 17:13
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raytaylor:

 

 

 

I believe that was mostly Clear.   

 

There was a landline call termination rate of something like 4 cents per minute that Clear had to pay Telecom and vice-versa for landline calls that were terminated on each others networks. This was in a time when local calls were free to residential users.   

 

Clear found a way to get heaps of Telecom residential users to call Clear lines was to host free dialup isp services using clear numbers.  

 

The Hot Gossip chat lines (advertised late night on tv if you were in auck/wlg/chch) were another way to do this.

So Telecom was paying clear millions per month in 4 cents per minute for local phone calls destined to the clear network.    

 

Telecom fought back of course in 1999/2000 with the 0867 dial code which then entered a legal battle with the commerce commission which wasnt finally sorted out until 2009. 

 

 

 

Later on there was a similar mandated termination rate for text messages.
When 2degrees started, they encouraged people to sign up by giving away cheap pre-pay sims and offering rewards. If you got 20,000 incoming text messages to you from telecom or vodafone, they would give you points that you could spend on appliances like a free TV. 
Telecom or Vodafone would then have to pay 2deg for each of those text messages delivered to 2deg customers.  

 

 

 

 

I recall there being a few free providers back then. Think one was i4free which I think was Slingshots original name or operated by them. Things have changed a lot. 


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  #3157841 10-Nov-2023 07:39
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Zeronet marketing sounds dodgy enough someone  should lay a comcom complaint IMHO.

 

Also loving the trip down memory lane in this thread lol. Just to really show my age, was anyone else here a CityNet user?





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  #3157850 10-Nov-2023 08:07
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No, but I remember them - mid 90's dialup RSP, funded by the Wellington City Council, from memory.


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  #3162029 21-Nov-2023 12:52
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michaelmurfy:

 

But their claims on Hyperfibre are fully false:

 

 

They use Compass behind the scenes I believe and it is also owned by the same directors of Compass so the ties are there (despite being 2 separate companies).

 

 

Yeah they are run by the same people as Compass, but I believe they use Devoli behind the scenes. So, as long as you don't need to contact their support - you'd be fine as you will be using Devoli's backbone anyways. (which is also the same as Contact Broadband if you have used that before)


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  #3162151 21-Nov-2023 15:29
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@prat33k Unless if you're Hyperfibre then you're going over the Compass network it seems. It is mixed from what we've seen.





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  #3163212 24-Nov-2023 14:45
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Well.. I tried signing up for HyperFibre with them. Got a confirmation email with installation date for Dec 20th. I won't be home, tried contacting them for the past 7 days to reschedule and was unable to. Haven't heard one single word from them.





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  #3163773 25-Nov-2023 21:51
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sud0:

 

Well.. I tried signing up for HyperFibre with them. Got a confirmation email with installation date for Dec 20th. I won't be home, tried contacting them for the past 7 days to reschedule and was unable to. Haven't heard one single word from them.

 

 

 

 

Cannot get hold of Zeronet at all. If anybody knows anyone from there and could help me out, please. I need to cancel my order with them which is causing delay in another HyperFibre installation.





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