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  Reply # 298175 11-Feb-2010 23:36
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So local performance from an akamai mirror? Hardly a benchmark for connections IMO since they are not reflective of the whole internet.

With less users per mirror, its reasonable that NZ would be faster I would think.




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  Reply # 298179 11-Feb-2010 23:46
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richms: Ignore the wastelands in the middle of the states and look at the civilized areas and what they get - FIOS etc.. Mmmmm


FIOS?  most ppl are on 15/5 plans - not much better than adsl.  and they sell plans bundled with television. oh, and its not available everywhere, even in all those 'civilised' zones.

hard to do the tv bundles here - difficult to take the market share off sky - that seriously reduces the profit model for FTTP




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  Reply # 298184 11-Feb-2010 23:50
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5 is a lot better than 0.8 of adsl for upstream. That's a choking factor for the interactive use of the net. Also there are still some offering 0.128 upstream on plans here which is even worse.

Also, with caps here, there is less likly to be much else happening on a connection, overseas there will be torrents etc while people are updating their steam/windows/whatever is going on from akamai which will slow it.

Again, the uniquness of Au/NZ net pricing is not accounted for.




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  Reply # 298215 12-Feb-2010 07:19
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richms: Ignore the wastelands in the middle of the states and look at the civilized areas and what they get - FIOS etc.. Mmmmm


FIOS?  most ppl are on 15/5 plans - not much better than adsl.  and they sell plans bundled with television. oh, and its not available everywhere, even in all those 'civilised' zones.

hard to do the tv bundles here - difficult to take the market share off sky - that seriously reduces the profit model for FTTP


Good to see another sane person who thinks fibre will be huge financial train wreck!

There are too many people who simply fail to understand the basics of why 1Gps to every house is not going to deliver significant tangible benefits over a 50Mbps VDSL connection or even 24Mbps ADSL2.



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  Reply # 298243 12-Feb-2010 09:10
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richms: Ignore the wastelands in the middle of the states and look at the civilized areas and what they get - FIOS etc.. Mmmmm


FIOS?  most ppl are on 15/5 plans - not much better than adsl.  and they sell plans bundled with television. oh, and its not available everywhere, even in all those 'civilised' zones.

hard to do the tv bundles here - difficult to take the market share off sky - that seriously reduces the profit model for FTTP



Not to mention that in most areas that have fibre, there is usually only 1 provider in the area, so in essence, each area is a monopoly. Look at the problems that a lot of people in the US have with dealing with there providers and you'd be wishing to deal with the Telecom of 10 years ago!


The decision between having a choice of providers/services/bundles, or having one provider that tells me what i'll have, and to like it or leave it... I know what I choose!

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  Reply # 298252 12-Feb-2010 09:19
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Geez Guys. I was thinking of signing up for 100 MB/s symmetrical fibre which is outside our house, but now I am thinking it may be a bad idea!




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  Reply # 298269 12-Feb-2010 09:45
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Interesting stat out of the Telecom results today, Chorus stating that 970,000 customers now have access to 10Mbps+ connections because of their Fibre cabinet rollout.

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  Reply # 298285 12-Feb-2010 10:37
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The Akamai sample is huge. If you list out the many services that are hosted on Akamai content servers you'll realise that most of use use it every day without even knowing. There is an issue thoguh becuase there's no control on what server you actually hit. I think you may find that sometime a user in say Wellington will bounce across to Australia due to some vagary of the routing.

However as a guage of speeds around the world the Akamai test are fairly solid as a GUIDELINE. Any test is always a subjective test dpeneding on the sample size and what the characteristics of the DSL line conditions of the users connecting.

The Akamai report is a good read and comes out every quarter. So keeps fairly relevant in its content. I find that almost all of the measurements that come out of broadband speeds have an agenda they are trying to fulfil, which therefore colours a. the results and b. the way the results are interpreted.

My point? I dont know if I really have one, but I will say you can't take these results and compare them directly with another country as we have a unique population and geographic profile that doesn;t really exist anywehre else, so our investment and usage will differ from most other countries.

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  Reply # 298286 12-Feb-2010 10:39
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hairy1: Geez Guys. I was thinking of signing up for 100 MB/s symmetrical fibre which is outside our house, but now I am thinking it may be a bad idea!


I guess the question you have to ask is ... what would I use the sort fo speed for anyways ... there aren't really consumer grade applications that can make use of a real 1 Gbps connection anyways .... so I can get 10gbps or 30 Gbps ... what difference does it really make.

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  Reply # 298424 12-Feb-2010 15:44
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sbiddle: Good to see another sane person who thinks fibre will be huge financial train wreck!

There are too many people who simply fail to understand the basics of why 1Gps to every house is not going to deliver significant tangible benefits over a 50Mbps VDSL connection or even 24Mbps ADSL2.


didnt say i didnt want fibre though :-)  I would actually make use of a fibre connection as I'd treat home as a simple extension to the office LAN.  I'd probably also download stuff via the home connection during teh day time (when home typically unused then pull accross to the office as home internet is typically cheaper than business internet and it would leave the international pipes freer at the office.  Save me lugging a laptop or a USB drive around too.




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FIOS?  most ppl are on 15/5 plans - not much better than adsl


15/5 FiOS is far better than any ADSL plan in NZ. 1) the upload speed, 2) consistent speeds, 3) uncapped, 4) super low latency.


sbiddle:
Good to see another sane person who thinks fibre will be huge financial train wreck!

There are too many people who simply fail to understand the basics of why 1Gps to every house is not going to deliver significant tangible benefits over a 50Mbps VDSL connection or even 24Mbps ADSL2.


No, it's you who fails to understand something. Fibre isn't just about speed, and doing the fibre rollout now is not just about having better internet as soon as it's done. It's also not about making money (certainly not in the short term), so the financial aspect of it is irrelevant. The fibre rollout is largely for future-proofing.

Fibre is objectively better than copper in every way. Fibre will always be faster, lower latency, and more energy efficient than copper. One day copper will reach its practical limit of how fast it can go, or how many houses it can service in an area (though other factors such as aging copper will be its downfall before then), and we have to be ready for it. As for speed, 50Mbps may do for now, but not forever. Especially if you take into account multiple users (which "fibre deniers" and "uncapped usage deniers" always seem to forget) in the same household. Not to mention small businesses. If a small business can be run from a house in the suburbs, their costs will be significantly reduced compared to renting in town. Then there's local contention - like the multiple-people-in-a-single-house scenario, a house will benefit from greater bandwidth being available to the local area even if they're not using 1Gbps all the time, as there will be next to no local contention.

The fibre rollout is already going to take 10 years. If we wait until we really need it before starting to build it, we're screwed. It astounds me how myopic some supposedly tech-minded people can be.

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  Reply # 298491 12-Feb-2010 21:23
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I'm not saying fibre is bad. It's not. Much like a HFC network it's a huge step up from old copper.

The key point here is that at end of the day somebody has to pay for a rollout, and for both the ONT's and CPE hardware that will be required for all dwellings. None of those costs are cheap.


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  Reply # 298495 12-Feb-2010 21:36
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So? As I explained, it has to happen sooner or later, and the sooner the better, so there's nothing to complain about.

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  Reply # 298498 12-Feb-2010 21:43
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ADSL routers were not cheap at one time, now they are.

Just because somethings stupidly expensive now doesn't mean it will be forever.




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  Reply # 298510 12-Feb-2010 22:13
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Good points. Where is the end game in all this? Fibre to the home? If it is, then having an implementation now for cabnetisation and then another one in 5 years time for FTTH seems pointless....




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