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Topic # 57774 24-Feb-2010 15:12
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i was wondering if i might be allowed to re-sell my interweb to people via the protocol of wi-fi. I am very good at getting fast speeds and my neighbours would like to purchase this from me. Might I be able to sell them some interweb? If so, do I have to setup a trade and goods service?

Thanks in advance

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  Reply # 301837 24-Feb-2010 15:18
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An informal agreement to split the bill/cost between neighbors like between flat mates or adjacent units seems fairly harmless.

I highly doubt you would be allowed to resell it officially, check the terms and conditions for your ISP to be sure I guess..

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  Reply # 301838 24-Feb-2010 15:23
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hellonearthisnnan is a troll.

But, any one who provides Internet services is classed as an ISP.
This includes Family groups.  If the internet bill payer lets others use his connection, then they are an Ineternet service provide.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 301839 24-Feb-2010 15:25
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Do you reckon it's that guy from the Slingshot forums?




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  Reply # 301840 24-Feb-2010 15:26
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Ragnor: An informal agreement to split the bill/cost between neighbors like between flat mates or adjacent units seems fairly harmless.

I highly doubt you would be allowed to resell it officially, check the terms and conditions for your ISP to be sure I guess..


thanks heaps ragnor. ths clears up a few things for me. I will ring my ISP today and ask. It's only because of the new legislation that states i would be an ISP so, i need to know how much to charge people



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  Reply # 301841 24-Feb-2010 15:27
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Detruire: Do you reckon it's that guy from the Slingshot forums?



Hi sorry im not from slingshot forums, im using geekzone and i have my interwebs with xNet

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  Reply # 301842 24-Feb-2010 15:32
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The fact that you're using a username intended to appear (at first glance) as a "trusted user", then asking a question that's highly similar to a comment that the real hellonearthisman made on those forums is highly suspicious.




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  Reply # 301844 24-Feb-2010 15:32
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Yes Detruire, it's got the same shocking spelling as that Slingshot forum troll who calls in from school via an xtra connection. Could post IP address's to the moderators if they want to double check.

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  Reply # 301845 24-Feb-2010 15:35
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You could always buy one of those Tomizone Wireless routers they use at the Coffee places - and allow them to buy tokens off you, it limits their use. So technically as long as you are only recouping the costs for the bandwidth used etc, and NOT making a profit, not advertising it, in anyway like a business you shouldn't be considered an ISP of sorts.

Of course don't take my word as legal advice.. best to ring World Xchange (Xnet) and enquire first!




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  Reply # 301847 24-Feb-2010 15:48
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hellonearthisman: hellonearthisnnan is a troll.

But, any one who provides Internet services is classed as an ISP.
This includes Family groups.  If the internet bill payer lets others use his connection, then they are an Ineternet service provide.


Not for long...

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2010/0119/latest/DLM2764312.html



“ISP, or Internet service provider, means a person that
operates a business that—



  • “(a) offers the transmission, routing, and providing of
    connections for digital online communications, between or among points
    specified by a user, of material of the user's choosing; and





  • “(b) charges
    its account holders for the services provided in paragraph (a) on a regular basis; and





  • “(c) is
    not primarily operated to cater for transient users




This is going to be interesting to test in court whether you can class yourself as an ISP if you provide Interweb to your family and reguarly bill them for it.

I would suggest that people who hold a flat internet account in their name start keeping regular records of the money they charge the other flatmates for the connection, so they can claim the protection offered in the proposed legislation

also you will have to keep access records

Every ISP must retain, for a minimum of 12
months, the following information:


  • “(a) any information about infringements that is sent by
    copyright owners to the ISP for the purpose of matching the
    infringement to an account holder:





  • “(b) copies of the infringement notices issued to an
    account holder:





  • “(c) any challenges received by the ISP and any
    responses to those challenges:





  • “(d) which infringement notices (if any) have been
    cancelled or have expired:





  • “(e) any orders made under section
    122O suspending an account holder's account.







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http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2010/0119/latest/DLM2764320.html#DLM2764320
Internet service provider means a person who does either or both of the following:
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(a) offers the transmission, routing, or providing of connections for digital online communications, between or among points specified by a user, of material of the user's choosing:
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(b) hosts material on websites or other electronic retrieval systems that can be accessed by a user

Internet services means the services referred to in the definition of Internet service provider.?


Note that is has recently been updated.




“122Q Obligations of ISPs



  • “(1) Every ISP must retain, for a minimum of 40 days, information on the use of the Internet by each account holder.



    “(2) Every ISP must retain, for a minimum of 12 months, the following information:



    • “(a) any information about infringements that is sent by copyright owners to the ISP for the purpose of matching the infringement to an account holder:





    • “(b) copies of the infringement notices issued to an account holder:





    • “(c) any challenges received by the ISP and any responses to those challenges:





    • “(d) which infringement notices (if any) have been cancelled or have expired:





    • “(e) any orders made under section 122O suspending an account holder's account.





    “(3) No ISP may release the name or contact details of an account holder to a copyright owner unless—



    • “(a) authorised to do so by the account holder; or





    • “(b) required to do so by the Tribunal or a court.





    “(4) On or before 31 December 2011, and annually thereafter, every ISP must publish on its Internet site a report on its compliance with this section during the period starting on 1 October in the previous year and ending on 31 September in the year of the report.







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  Reply # 301936 24-Feb-2010 22:29
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hellonearthisnnan: Hi sorry im not from slingshot forums, im using geekzone and i have my interwebs with xNet


He's not using XNET and I have blocked his access here until he changes his username.





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