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#337675 3-Jun-2010 09:37

Ragnor:
insane: I was going to tell you to have a read of johl's excetel blog to hopefully get some sort of idea of what NZ's larger ISPs would be like. Now his blog costs a $20 donation to view so this info will cost you.

Australian ISP Exetel
http://public.mrtg.exetel.com.au/bwsummary/ExetelBandwidthSummary.html
http://public.mrtg.exetel.com.au/bwsummary/total-supplier-bandwidth.html

UK ISP Plusnet
http://www.plus.net/support/network_performance/broadband_bandwidth_usage.shtml?supporta=networkpbroadbandusage
http://www.plus.net/supportpages.html?a=212

NZ ISP's are wimps but seriously not many ISP's around the world are brave enough to put the real
stats out there.

Yes, quite afew ISP's overseas provide this type of information freely to anyone who wants to know.

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#337704 3-Jun-2010 11:17

I would love to see statistics on all ISP's international links. I don't think information on local/national data is very important as the international link is the bottleneck. Possibly data on national backhaul as well.

I wish ISPs were forced to provide contention ratio information as well as how many customers make use of their international pipes and their sizes. This would greatly ease the performance woes of many people as they would be able to see which ISPs were over-selling and just what type of performance to expect _before_ signing up.

If every ISP was forced to do this the data would no longer be 'commercially sensitive' and we'd all have a better idea of what we were signing up for.

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#337821 3-Jun-2010 14:08

Sounddude: I take bribes for such answers.

I spose the fairest way to decide who reveals this info is a paintball match. Whoever wins is immune, everyone else has to cough up their data.

Any takers?

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#337833 3-Jun-2010 14:23

Well, I have no data to give, but I'd love to have a few pot shots!

I hate you.

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#337835 3-Jun-2010 14:27

beachmark: Lets be honest. Telecom just sucks in pretty much everything these days and the New Zealander is the one short changed.

If any Telecom rep reads this: yes, I am willing to go into a public face to face discussion about performance.

How is this comment relevant to this discussion?

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#337879 3-Jun-2010 15:40

I know in 2006 Ihug had just over 1gbps of international bandwidth and 10gbps between their data center and the Sky Tower. So they probably had a 10Gbps link to APE and maybe 100mbps~ Telecom/Telstra.

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#337942 3-Jun-2010 17:14

I think some of you guys are getting alittle confused here, I'm not asking for capacity of National and International Links at all.

What I'm asking is the total amount of traffic in GB or TB or what ever that say an ISP's customers have used in a 30 day period.

For example:

ISP has 3000 customers, each customer uses 60GB per month, therefore 3000 X 60 = 180,000GB or 180TB of data in a month.

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#337951 3-Jun-2010 17:50

I don't think they themselves would even track that. And if they do, it doesn't really represent anything. For example at work we move 1TB+ a month between our office and our ISPs data center, maybe 300GB to APE/WIX/Other open peers and 100GB to Telecom and 5GB international. The cost to deliver all of those is signifcantly different so why would they want to know those details?

They are more interested about the load on each of those links hence why we talk about the amount of bandwidth they have.

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#338426 5-Jun-2010 00:54

crazed: I think some of you guys are getting alittle confused here, I'm not asking for capacity of National and International Links at all.

What I'm asking is the total amount of traffic in GB or TB or what ever that say an ISP's customers have used in a 30 day period.

For example:

ISP has 3000 customers, each customer uses 60GB per month, therefore 3000 X 60 = 180,000GB or 180TB of data in a month.

Its basically the same thing though as you're still working this out over time. You can always do the maths to get it into XXgbps which as mentioned above is totally irrelevant to the quality of service users will get, so making this info public will not make much/any difference at all unless the ISP is being cheap and is underprovisioning their International transit connectivity.

If you google through enough nzherald articles you'll get an idea of how many users each ISP has. Some ISPs have managed to max out their DSL backhaul that they are allocated by Telecom Wholesale and therefore you can take the number of users they have x 10GB. 10GB per month is equal to the 32kbps each user is allocated by Telecom Wholesale to said ISPs.

So in your example expect to see that ISP moving Up To 30,000 GB of data in a month for DSL traffic, of which 80 to 90% of that will be international traffic based on what I've seen posted on this forum.

- This info here does not in any way reflect figures or ratios from the ISP I work for, please don't try to draw any parallels. -

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