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  #373831 28-Aug-2010 07:04
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Jayd is correct. I think ALARMNZ forgets that Chorus is a lines company that doesn't play in the retail space -- which is where WiFi devices belong. Unless there's a new trick for carrying ADSL over WiFi?

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  #373864 28-Aug-2010 09:54
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So what you are saying is that the CHORUS boxes? mentioned here increase speed, surely just running a Cat5/6 would be all you need ?.this so called ?box? is a waste of time and the idea it could add value to the existing Gigabit Ethernet capabilities of Cat5/6 is silly

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/telecoms-it-media/4048970/Chorus-offers-deal-to-rewire-fo...

Think about it?.. why would CHORUS want to put such a box in your house, telling everyone it will increase speed but does not improve on Cat5/6 you say they are going install anyway.

 
 
 
 


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  #373865 28-Aug-2010 09:55
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CHORUS are advocating installing a ?box? that will increase speed but in fact does not improve anything over existing or new Cat5/6 r Wifi ?then you say I ( ALARMNZ) forgets that CHORUS is a lines company and doesn?t play in the retail space and Wifi according to you is a retail product??.hmmm you pose a brain numming proposition.

How about you explain to me why CHORUS is wholesaling this weird box mainly to its own retail arm? ....Perhaps it?s a good way for Telecom to lockout future competitors ( like WxC Orcon etc) and that this whole scheme is a cunning plan muddy the waters

Who is tricking Who here ?

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  #373872 28-Aug-2010 10:06
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ALARMNZ: PenultimateHop

CHORUS are advocating installing a ?box? that will increase speed but in fact does not improve anything over existing or new Cat5/6 r Wifi ?then you say I ( ALARMNZ) forgets that CHORUS is a lines company and doesn?t play in the retail space and Wifi according to you is a retail product??.hmmm you pose a brain numming proposition.

How about you explain to me why CHORUS is wholesaling this weird box mainly to its own retail arm? ....Perhaps it?s a good way for Telecom to lockout future competitors ( like WxC Orcon etc) and that this whole scheme is a cunning plan muddy the waters

Who is tricking Who here ?

From what I've read (which is the publicly posted information in this thread: I have no affiliation with Chorus, so have no inside knowledge on what this SDP actually does), the SDP is provided by Chorus to customers through their retail provider which may be Telecom Retail or any other ISP which has a relationship with Chorus for copper local loop, including if that relationship is through Telecom Wholesale.

Since the customer or service provider is responsible for terminating the DSL inside the home - not Chorus - there is little-to-no-possibility of offering WiFi from a SDP, unless the SDP itself becomes a DSL router.  Chorus does not have a retail relationship with the customer, so they would or should have no interest in providing WiFi based services as that would very much interfere in the separated delivery model that is now in force in New Zealand.

I do agree that the SDP does little over a proper structured wiring system for a house, but it seems based on what I've read to be a reasonable tactic to improve quality of experience to the subscriber.  If it offers a performance improvement for the relatively modest cost, then I believe it has done its job successfully.

Your reaction seems misguided at best.

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  #373873 28-Aug-2010 10:07
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ALARMNZ: How about you explain to me why CHORUS is wholesaling this weird box mainly to its own retail arm? ....Perhaps it?s a good way for Telecom to lockout future competitors ( like WxC Orcon etc) and that this whole scheme is a cunning plan muddy the waters

Who is tricking Who here ?


Myself and Steve Biddle visited Chorus here in Wellington this week and looked at the box.

Chorus is not "wholesaling this weird box mainly to its own retail arm" and planning to "lockout future competitors".

First because this would go against the separation rules. Second because we were told these boxes will be offered through ISPs. Customers ask the ISP for those to be installed. Like other services, the ISP is the point of contact and they determine prices, etc.

This is just another example of newspapers reporting things wrongly.





 

 

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  #373876 28-Aug-2010 10:11
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freitasm: This is just another example of newspapers reporting things wrongly.



And let's not forget the whole "box increases speeds 50 times" when it should be "box increases speeds up to 50%" headline the papers put out.

After the first headline goes out there is no way to put the cat back in the bag. Apparently the company was getting calls in the middle of the night from people in Europe and USA tying to invest in this new "magic box".





 

 

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  #373885 28-Aug-2010 10:51
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I suspect that the SDP box if actively promoted by Chorus will be more successful in providing better connection rates to the end user. Obviously a ADSL splitter stuck in the external point of entry box will provide exactly the same end result. (with CAT5 to the modem) However ADSL splitters dont seem to be actively advertised by Service providers, and not many customers are even aware of there existence. Instead they are still using plugin type filters, connected to their existing building wiring.
Although the claims of 50% extra speed might be over exaggerated, maybe this is what it will take to get consumers to reap the benefits of what their service providers are actually selling them.
Just bear in mind that this device is not mandatory and if you already have a splitter installed correctly, will probably not be necessary.

Just my point of view. 

 
 
 
 


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  #373896 28-Aug-2010 11:36
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jayd: I suspect that the SDP box if actively promoted by Chorus will be more successful in providing better connection rates to the end user. Obviously a ADSL splitter stuck in the external point of entry box will provide exactly the same end result. (with CAT5 to the modem) However ADSL splitters dont seem to be actively advertised by Service providers, and not many customers are even aware of there existence. Instead they are still using plugin type filters, connected to their existing building wiring.
Although the claims of 50% extra speed might be over exaggerated, maybe this is what it will take to get consumers to reap the benefits of what their service providers are actually selling them.
Just bear in mind that this device is not mandatory and if you already have a splitter installed correctly, will probably not be necessary.

Just my point of view. 


You're not going to notice a speed increase with one of these if you already have a master splitter, but I'd certainly recommend that anybody looking to install a master splitter simply get a SDP instead. With VDSL a master filter is essential so I see an SDP as the logical partner for VDSL installs.

One of the key features is that futureproofs you for a move to VoIP. If you want to use a standalone ATA or RGW then connecting it so all phones in the house work is a simple two step process - remove the jumper plug in the SDP that patches the incoming PSTN line and the existing home phone cabling, and run a cable from your ATA to the SDP.


I'm actually in the process of writing a blog post now on the SDP's that will include some photos and wiring diagrams that will provide a lot more insight than what has been published so far.

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  #373909 28-Aug-2010 12:28
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sbiddle:
You're not going to notice a speed increase with one of these if you already have a master splitter, but I'd certainly recommend that anybody looking to install a master splitter simply get a SDP instead. With VDSL a master filter is essential so I see an SDP as the logical partner for VDSL installs.


Don't forget that VDSL2 needs a different splitter than existing ADSL ones that people may have installed.

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  #373912 28-Aug-2010 12:39
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freitasm/Sbiddle

Wow? you guys have seen this wonderful ground breaking kiwi invention that's going to take the world by storm, perhaps elevate our global standing as a leader in broadband home wiring technology that will send shutters up the spine of Cisco, Dlink and others

CHORUS says this magic box(SDP) can improve home internet speed up to 50% and now you have seen it.....you can perhaps educate me why the $200 + they want for this "box" is a better investment than a wifi or simply running a new cat5/6 internally with the right splitter.

Putting aside the backup power supply option which is a good thing, (but not in this form factor though because it promotes further battery/energy waste and limits opportunities for other more efficient broadband home power supply devices) ...what exactly does this thing bring to the table that freitasm and Sbiddle are prepared to hang their collective hats on. ( a VDSL Splitter ?)

I do encourage local innovation but I also absolutely abhor waste?. and from what I can see so far, this device is at best a gimmick from a couple of whizz kids selling a CHORUS a PUP or worst a crude attempt to offset the influence of power companies in the future home power supply market.

I have suggested to CHORUS to leave the selection of home power supplies in the hands of the consumer, instead they are stepping over the demarcation line and dragging the ISP's with them ....and I guess perhaps you guys too ?


As they say...where's the beef inside the $200 box?

Nothing like the good old Telecom marketing machine eh. ...how about the truth just this once.

Its all PR !! not a single inovative economic feature. ( welcome to the land of the long white lie)

What is really required is a proper home broadband service point not this ....$!#!!@

I saw this 4 years ago have a look http://www.broadband.bt.com/hubdemo/

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  #373918 28-Aug-2010 13:08
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I'm not sure what WiFi has to do with the SDP. There is absolutely nothing linking the two. Wireless is not and never will be a replacement for copper cables.

It's obvious you don't understand the purpose of the device, it might be worth reading my post once it's done to actually understand what the purpose of the device is rather than trashing it.

And the BT Homehub? It's great. A single RGW that does everything. You need proper wiring to get broadband services to it however which is exactly where the SDP comes in.




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  #373921 28-Aug-2010 13:21
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ALARMNZ: freitasm/Sbiddle

Wow? you guys have seen this wonderful ground breaking kiwi invention that's going to take the world by storm, perhaps elevate our global standing as a leader in broadband home wiring technology that will send shutters up the spine of Cisco, Dlink and others


I am getting tired of your lack of relationship skills in this forum, always confronting people and not being a good player at all. It's to the point of trolling. You have been warned before. You posted some bad words before too. This is the last warning, and in public: tone down. Now.

ALARMNZ: CHORUS says this magic box(SDP) can improve home internet speed up to 50% and now you have seen it.....you can perhaps educate me why the $200 + they want for this "box" is a better investment than a wifi or simply running a new cat5/6 internally with the right splitter.


Most of the problems with low broadband speeds can be traced back to internal wiring and connections. This box is just one piece that allows the company to remove those variables. Wait for Steve's blog post for the diagrams and you will understand.





 

 

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  #373922 28-Aug-2010 13:23
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You said? ?Wireless is not and never will be a replacement for copper cables? ...hell that?s a big call my friend.

Good luck with that !!

Yes I admit I do not understand the purpose of this device and I truly await your conclusion with baited breath, I applaud your bravery to attempt such a defense on CHORUS's behalf....please enlighten us all with the true genius of this marvelous design that will bless our homes forever ( or at least till the next recycle day)

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  #373923 28-Aug-2010 13:34
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ALARMNZ: Sbiddle

You said? ?Wireless is not and never will be a replacement for copper cables? ...hell that?s a big call my friend.

Good luck with that !!



It's pure simply physics. There is no luck involved. Radio spectrum is a finite resource.

Why do you still install wired alarms? Wireless alarms have been around for years. if wireless is the solution for everything then surely there is no need?


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  #373938 28-Aug-2010 15:06
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ALARMNZ:As they say...where's the beef inside the $200 box?


What about install costs?  That would take up a large proportion of the $200 right there.




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